Yeah, the previews had a voice-over from Sawyer saying something about feeling the same way about someone after three years. I hope he means three years for HER, or my head will explode.
The other possibility is that it’s been three years for the left-behinds as well and only Locke is experiencing time in such a compressed way. Jin looked pretty established with Dharma when we saw him at the end of last week’s episode. I’m thinking the lefties have been stuck in the 70s since the flash with Locke in the well.
That is certainly a possibility. I think it’d be far more interesting if they play up the time disconnect, but it could go either way with good writing.
You’re right though. Anything could have happened to the timeline since Locke left the island.
Well, we already know - or at least really reasonably suspect - that the last flash separated Locke and Hurley/Jack/Kate, so the particular point at which that specific flash dropped those three in the timeline could be three or five or twelve years after where the last flash that the Sawyer group experienced dropped them.
I’m pretty certain that the way it works is there is a time disconnect on the island vs the rest of the world. Time moves much more slowly on the island relative to the outside world, even if you ignore the time flashing events. This was displayed back when Daniel, et al, first arrived via his missile experiment. I do think that the 3 year span of the Oceanic 6 was supposed to be merely a week or so of time for the left-behinds, in their own frame of reference, ignoring the other aspect of the island jumping through time as well.
Well, Widmore told Desmond where to find her. She is almost certainly Daniel’s mom and Daniel was working with Widmore, though we don’t really know exactly why yet other than perhaps just because Widmore was willing to fund his research and such. I wouldn’t be surprised if Widmore ends up being revealed as Daniel’s father at some point, a product of the fact that Widmore and Daniel’s mom were both “Others” back in the 50s. None of this proves anything about Hawking working with Widmore, but there is certainly some kind of connection there.
I think it is entirely possible Ben had no idea Jin was alive. I don’t think he has any kind of communication back to the island at this point (though he clearly has some level of a support network on the outside), so I don’t know how else he would have known. Clearly, the most important bit of information for him was finding out that Ben knew about Hawking, but I think he really was supposed to be surprised to learn that Jin had managed to survive.
Also I agree with Menzo’s theory even though it basically boils down to the mystical pseudo-religious flim-flam I keep hoping this show will avoid but then doesn’t. Maybe it was important for Locke to die, but not via suicide much like it was somehow important for Locke to have not killed his father while it was OK for Sawyer to do it.
bloo
4325
Of course not, but he was spoken of. Unless dead people steal boats, I think he’s alive.
I have faith in the Fahey.
I disagree completely. During the 3rd and 4th seasons, we were shown life outside the Island progressing normally, such as how Juliet’s sister’s cancer developed. If time moved slower on the Island, Juliet would had to go through years on the island for 6 months to pass off.
I think that there’s a time disconnect, but that time doesn’t inherently move slower on the island. I’d guess the reason Daniel’s missile took so long to get to the island was because of some relativity-gobbledegook answer. IE, at the point where the Island’s sphere of influence ends, there is a time-space disconnect that affects stuff that passes through, causing a delay before reaching the other side of the barrier. That delay would be imperceptible to the observer going through the barrier, but would be present to a 3rd party that exists on either side.
Which Ben has no way of knowing. As far as Ben knows, Widmore approached Locke and was using him to try and return to the island. The fact that Locke knows about Hawking would be proof to Ben that Widmore does too, which is also a fact since (as pointed out above) it was Widmore who gave Desmond the location of The Lamppost.
I think Ben is still angry and jealous about Locke’s replacing him as the messiah on the island. Once he had all the information he needed from Locke, he killed him to be rid of a rival and likely he figured he could use dead Locke as a proxy for Christian and as a rally point for getting the 6 on board with going back. It would seem this was the island’s plan all along, as Richard warned Locke he’s have to die, and his Christ parallel gained considerable momentum with his ressurection.
Hanacker
4328
Did it bother you guys that every time they’d flash to a different location (New York, NY), they were still obviously in Hawaii? I couldn’t tell if people who weren’t as familiar with Honolulu as me would notice or care.
Yeah - I didn’t notice that so much. The scenes looked maybe a little off, but not like they were in Hawaii, to me at least. I, however, have never been.
Hanacker
4330
I was talking to my coworker about how everyone was stupid for trusting Ben, but at least Locke had an excuse because he had father issues. But then we started to think about it, and as far as we could remember every single father they’ve ever shown is at best hugely flawed and at worst a kidney thief or sociopathic murderer(or missing like Aren’s father and Jin). How could the show not have a single positive father figure? (Michael was for a little while, but overall he was a jerk too)
They shoot virtually everything in Hawaii on this show. I live in San Diego but the company I work for is located on Merchant Ave in downtown Honolulu and they use that area fairly frequently for external shots because it looks kind of oldish urban generic city more than most of Honolulu does. For whatever reason, it doesn’t bother me that they do this. It gives me a slight thrill to recognize the exteriors, actually.
zengonzo
4332
Hmm, I’m skeptical. I think the mother figures suffer a fair amount. Jack’s mother was essentially a non-entity. Aren’s mother abandoned her, technically. Claire’s relationship with her mother was strained.
Widmore might be a dick in other regards, but he clearly cares for his daughter. As was Ben concerned for his own.
I think there are some certainly terrible cases for father’s but I don’t think Aren’s pop is significant as a character, and Jin isn’t really a bad father just for being separated against his will. I certainly don’t think we can count Micheal’s jerkness, all things considered, against his values as a father. He clearly did everything he could for his son (even to his own detriment).
zengonzo
4334
Sorry, Aaron. Not sure why I did that.
Hanacker
4335
I did it first. I work with an Aren and wasn’t sure how the show spelled it.
Ah. I probably would have guessed you meant Aaron but you also typed “Aren’s mother abandoned her” and Aaron is a boy.
Hanacker
4337
And yet the end result is that his son wanted nothing to do with him. I’m not saying everyone is intentionally a bad/absent father, but in every case that seems to be the result. Widmore may care about Penny, but she said something to imply that she didn’t trust or care about him a few episodes ago (maybe it was just “Nothing will stop my father, once he wants something,” in a disdainful tone).
There are at least a few decent mothers. Hurley’s mom seems okay. I can’t remember if the Frenchwoman was or not. Kate was trying to be a good mom. Penny seems decent.
After thinking about it more, we did come up with Jin’s fisherman father (for the five minute of screen time he gets) being a good father, and we have little reason to suspect Desmond of being a bad father. And Charlie would have been good if he hadn’t died.
zengonzo
4338
I blame it on the smoke monster.
zengonzo
4339
I think there are certainly strong stories in there about bad fathers, but I don’t think it is prevalent throughout the show. I can see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it is intentionally aimed at father’s.
I think if it weren’t for Locke’s terrible, awful, worst-father-in-the-world-winning jackass of a dad it wouldn’t seem quite as significant. He’s been perhaps the most vile person on the show by far.
I don’t think Ben killing Locke had anything to do with him mentioning Eloise Hawking. I think Locke had (once again!) lost his faith in the island and his mission, he was killing himself for purely selfish reasons. And if he went that way I don’t think the island would have resurrected him. By restoring his faith then killing Locke, Ben saved him.
For some ulterior motive I’m sure.
