HRose
4341
Episode 7 and the WHOLE plot is still about people doing unmotivated things.
Problems with Widmore - Hawking relationship
1- The second Locke’s driver dies, Widmore knows and reacts
2- Widmore still has men who track what Losties do, so he knows when Ben tries to approach them.
3- Hawking helps Ben to go back to the island.
So it’s highly unlikely that Ben and the Losties return without Widmore knowing. It’s also unlikely that Ben would do that while letting Widmore know (he moved the island in the first place to do it).
The plot holds only because Widmore seems disappeared from the scene, and he obviously isn’t.
Ka-whoops. Something that was supposed to be obvious wasn’t. Not sure if anybody else caught it, but today’s podcast from Damon and Carlton indicate that the Ajira plane is on HYDRA island, rather than the main one.
I don’t think Ben is trying to keep Widmore from knowing that they went back to the island, he’s trying to keep Widmore from knowing where the island is. Them going back doesn’t really reveal where it is.
That was pretty obvious. There’s a scene with Locke standing on the beach, staring at the main island. Plus the room that Swarthy Guy Who Isn’t Sayid was in clearly wasn’t on the main island.
It was? I must be bad at television. Which is sad, considering how much of it I do.
Yeah, they didn’t make it blantantly obvious but I think you were supposed to get it from the shots of Locke looking out at the main island, plus the whole part of the conversation about the pilot taking one of the outrigger boats to the main island.
Khoram
4347
Yeah, during the very first scene I was confused, because I recognized the guy that was on the plane, but thought we were seeing some kind of flashback because I didn’t recognize the office as being like anyplace we’ve seen on the island. Then they showed the Hydra symbol and I realized they were on the offshore, smaller island.
I’m bad at this whole time line thing. I need a chart. So Locke is dead, meaning that, off-island, are they now about to be up to the point of the season-ender awhile back when Jack the Despondent Beardo tells Kate they have to go bacK? But when Locke visits Jack, Jack isn’t all despondent beardo yet…so…how much time is supposed to have elapsed??
When Locke visited Jack, Jack became despondent beardo. Like Ben said, Jack bought a plane ticket that day. Jack tells Kate he started flying all the time hoping for a crash. He tells her this after he goes to the funeral home to see Locke’s body.
This episode then skipped over all the intervening stuff we’ve seen in previous episodes and ended slightly after last week’s. Now everyone is back on the island, though probably not in the same time.
Well, we know Hurley, Jack and Kate are in the same timeline as Jin, who is in the Sawyer group.
I thought it was strange that Cesar and the woman were exploring a Dharma building that close to the beach. It didn’t look familiar.
The whole time travelling story is really pissing me off… it’s so sloppy and convenient. I don’t care why Ben suddenly decides to strangle Locke when he hears Eleanor’s name… I GUARANTEE it never makes sense that his reaction would be so violent. I wish the show would just stop being “mysterious” for five minutes and be straight for once. Where’s the pay off for any character or scene? How did the writers manage to write the entire “Locke goes back to the real world” story without having him mention the time jumps to anyone?! Every time I think there’s an interesting story or conversation that COULD play out the writers inevitably skirt around it in exchange for elusive, obfuscating bullshit and some random action.
Obviously there’s an underlying excuse for everything but it exists only to justify random events that keep the viewer from knowing where the story will go. I don’t feel like there’s going to be any character growth any more. There’s no room for it when the situation is CONSTANTLY changing up. The writers have traded any faith they had in the actors to carry scenes or build characters for the simple thrills of “Sawyer was in the bushes all along”.
I understand there are hints in there that help explain things, I’m not saying I don’t understand what’s going on (in terms of keeping track of characters and time). But I also don’t think there’s any MEANING to what’s going on. And before people claim I’m a hater I loved the rest of the show. I even supported the show through Season 2. My problem is with the time travelling and the way it’s being casually used to clean up loose ends at the expense of time with the characters.
My other coworker points out that Jin lied to everyone about his dad, telling them he was dead. Daddy issues across the board!
Erich
4354
One of the first season’s episodes was named “All the best cowboys have daddy issues.”
I think they are using the characters’ fathers as a metaphor for how each character relates to god/faith.
If you don’t dig the show by now I’d jump off.
This is the ride.
Jazar
4356
“If our fathers are our models for God and if our fathers fail, what does that tell you about God?”
heh.
I hope they explain the Ben killing John part a bit more. It was quite the transition to go from helping the man off the noose to strangling him with it. Hearing Eleanor’s name had to be the catalyst, that was the moment when Ben went from :) to >:@
You think? I thought the transition came from the Jin promise. It seemed to me like the Eleanor thing was intriguing to him, but that his mind had already been made up by then.
Jazar
4358
You’re probably right. I’ll need to see it again but his promise to Jin would definitely be a hinderance to getting everyone back.
I liked the Walt scene. Good to know that there’s someone from the island whose life hasn’t completely gone to shit (besides the losing his father part 'natch).
I might’ve liked the Walt scene more, but it came off to me as ‘Hey, remember Walt? Here he is! Er … OK, bye Walt!’
My opinion might have been affected by already having been frustrated with Locke’s attempts so far. Not that they were rebuffed, which was obvious, but at how shallow and flaccid the interactions ended up being, Kate and Jack, and even Hurley. Eh.
He might be like me in that, after watching four-plus seasons of 22 hour long episodes, I’m going to ride this thing to the end. I may hate 99% of it, but for some masochistic reason I can’t bring myself to quit now.
