This bothered me a lot as well. Locke is desperate to get the Oceanic Six to go back, and they know that the people on the island are still alive, so why not just bust out with “Guys, Sawyer and crew are dying from some crazy nose-bleed shit that won’t stop unless the island stops doing what it’s doing to them, and the only way that happens is if you come back. Hell, Frogurt got impaled by a flaming fucking arrow and many others have already been killed in the time jumps. YOU NEED TO COME BACK NOW!”. Instead all we get is, “C’mon Jack, you know you have to go back. No? OK, then, I give up, I’ll just go off myself now…”.
Linoleum
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He told Kate the folks left on the island would die if they didn’t go back to no avail.
madkevin
4363
Locke wasn’t trying to convince them to go back so much as he was seeing if he needed to die to get them to go back. Christian told him, in no uncertain terms, that he had to die. Locke was having his Jesus moment of doubt by going around to everybody and seeing if he could convince them first. But his heart wasn’t really in it, because he believed what Christian told him.
Jazar
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I saw this as enough. If they didn’t want to go back knowing that their friends’ lives were in danger I don’t think time travel would make them change their minds (though it does make 'em look a little douchy).
Depends on whether they believed Locke was telling them the truth or just trying to manipulate them to go back.
No no, I’m pretty sure Kate is a solid douche.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the last we see of Walt. It felt like an acknowledgement that they hadn’t forgotten him, but had nothing else for him. Here he is, grown up and happy, peace out.
There’s nothing but fuzzy logic to back me up, but I got the impression it’s only the Oceanic Six that have to come back. Something about that specific group leaving is what screwed things up. Ben obviously doesn’t care about Walt or he’d have dragged him back, since he was right there and saw Locke talk to him. Plus it was Ben that let Walt and Michael leave in the first place.
I’m still not sure what changed Ben’s mind. I’m reasonably certain that Jin’s survival did catch him by surprise, he wasn’t just acting for Ben’s sake, but I’m not sure if that was also the catalyst for murdering him or if it was the mention of Eloise.
I thought the Walt meeting was kind of handled oddly, because it did feel like, as you said, they were trying to close out his story. This was reinforced with Locke saying he didn’t ask him to come back during the meeting because he’d “been through enough”, but like the very next line was Abaddon telling Locke he’s 0 for 2 and “I thought you had to bring everyone back”. I’m not sure if that line was foreshadowing or if they just handled that scene poorly or what. It’d be a shame if they completely drop that whole part of the mythology and don’t at least try to explain why Walt is supposedly so special (that the Others needed to kidnap him and he’s still having dreams about Locke’s future, etc) even if it they don’t bring the character back actively.
Also, I’m sure most of you were already over this, but this was the first real screen time Abaddon has gotten since I’ve watched The Wire. In the bits I saw him in way back before I watched The Wire, he seemed like a silent, spooky dude. Now he’s just Lance Reddick (which I don’t mean as an insult at all, I loved him in The Wire). The mystique is gone! I mean, he’s gone now too, but for this one episode, he was a completely different character to me because of The Wire.
zengonzo
4370
Kate was absolutely terrible.
She asks him a question, he answers honestly and starts to open up to her, and then she immediately nails him to a wall.
Do the writers understand how absolutely detestable they’ve made her and Jack? Was that a goal?
Because they’re serious bastards.
Warning
4371
He’s also got a pretty important role in Fringe as well.
Kate’s never been that likable, has she? Even her “redemption” is a series of selfish acts.
One of her first moments on-screen is whining about helpnig someone who’s badly hurt.
None of them know about the time jumping. All they know is they left the island and I think some of them saw it disappear. If Locke comes back and tells them he traveled through time they won’t believe him and will be less likely to come back.
Menzo
4374
This is the sort of “reality” that never makes sense to me. It’s like on the X-Files. They crash landed on this freaky island, saw people get killed by a smoke monster, saw visions of dead people, and been through all manner of freaky shit.
And they’re not going to believe Locke when he tells them about the time travel?! That’s the one step too far into weird?
Still. They all witnessed the island completely vanish. Even if it isn’t Locke using it logically to advance the plot, at least one or two of these characters should be more freaked out by the overall supernaturalness of what they’ve witnessed than any of them seem to be.
edit: Yeah, what Menzo said while I was browsing tvtropes
Well, Hurley was in a nuthouse…
Maybe the island also heals personality defects as well as physical problems?
Geez, how long does it take? Someone lock them back up in the polar bear cages until they’ve completely lost the compulsion to self-destruct.
I like the episodes that make me say “OH SNAP” more than once.
Ok, so 3 years off the island is the same amount of time as 3 years on the island. The only guy that got really unstuck was Locke (and maybe Ben). The thing now is that 3 years passed in the 70s and 3 years passed in the current year and the survivors of the new plane crash are back in the 70s. This all, amazingly, makes sense to me and I really liked that episode.
Juliet has been throwing the vibe to Sawyer for weeks. And that shot of Richard coming out of the jungle with the torch was awesome.
