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If it’s a production mistake, it seems really sloppy for a show as good as this. Claire’s ghost has been shown to hang with Christian in the past, that would be my guess.
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Keamy and crew shot the place up a bit, after Locke, Ben, Sawyer and some others barricaded many of the buildings. Claire’s house blew up, Keamy executed Alex, and then Ben unleashed the smoke monster.
Yeah, I doubt it’s a mistake- they’ve done stuff like this in the past (Season 3 inside the cabin IIRC).
Yeah, but the producers have also displayed an occasionally tenuous hold on the on-set stuff from time to time, as when Rebecca Mader took it upon herself to change her character’s age in the script because she didn’t want to be cast as that old. I could buy both.
The smoke, though, looked to me on second viewing tonight to possibly just be dust swirling in the light. The woman COULD be a stand-in for Claire (she’s not in the credits for this season as I recall), but if it is, she’s doing her level best to awkwardly squat in the shadows.
I kinda suspect that “woman in the background” thing was a production mistake that later became intentional. It was obvious enough that they would have had to have been asleep to not notice it in editing, but it also seems plausible that they saw it and just said “well, you can’t really tell what it is for sure, even though you can see it, let’s just go with that take and let the internet go ga-ga over what that might mean”.
IMO we’re just seeing the impact of the previous RPG/gun battle there plus 3 years of being non-maintained since, not 20 years of vacancy. What is potentially important from all of the recent stuff though is that Little Ben met Sayid in the past, and probably becomes aware of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet (perhaps they’ll throw in something that references his creepy “You’re mine” stuff from a past season) and the rest. I’m guessing that these revelations set him up to expect the plane crash in the future and also tie into the whole purge thing somehow (knowing he helps commit the purge becomes the reason for committing it, or some kind of time loopy shit like that).
Why does the guy who was giving Kate static about not being on the manifest look so familiar? Have we seen him before on the show?
I think he was one of the guys in the monitoring station when Horace was drunk. Dunno if we’ve seen him other than that.
Yeah, I really like the idea that’s being floated around that he picked the four names that he asked Michael to kidnap back in S2 because he had met them as a child.
Not on Lost but if you watch Mad Men (and everyone should) he had a pretty big supporting role in the second season as an obnoxious comedian.
He was on the last episode of the show, for sure. He’s also a fairly distinctive character actor who I know for sure I’ve seen in a couple of other shows playing basically the same guy he’s playing in this one.
Cute Ben reveal, but why would Sayid,who has not been clued in on the time travel, realize it is THE Ben???
I’m thinking Said is smart enough to figure out, they aren’t in 2000whatever anymore.
Yeah. It isn’t like all of this weirdness is completely new to Sayid, he was on the island before and had a lot of exposure to Desmond on the freighter when they were first introducing the idea of someone getting unstuck in time. I don’t think it is too much of a stretch for him to have put 2 and 2 together and realize Dharma was suddenly on the island using shiny new clothes and equipment because he was somehow in the past. For all we know, maybe Ben told him they had met before in the past at some point when recruiting him?
Oh come on, I realized it was Ben when he walked in with Sandwich.
I think Lloyd’s point is that if you don’t have the context that you have moved into the past then there would never be any reason to making the connection that this kid giving you a sandwich is your most hated enemy.
I’m pretty sure Sayid was at least partially with the program at that point. I mean, he’d already been inside the Flame.
Plus the casting and make-up on that kid was great. One look at his red-rimmed eyes and I’m pretty sure that the penny dropped.
The way I saw it was Sayid is disoriented from the plane crash or whatever, then he gets taken prisoner and sees the old Dharma vans and that the buildings are in tact and full of non-Others/commandos and starts putting the pieces together. When Ben shows up he knows for sure that he’s in the past, so his look is more of an “Oh shit, I’m in the past” look rather than a “Oh shit, that’s Ben” look.
When the first Lostie to interact with him in Ben’s personal timeline turned out to be Sayid, I immediately reflected on Ben’s ninja skills revealed in Season 4 and realized who his trainer might have been.
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I was on travel for 2 weeks and just got caught up, too. The last 2 episodes were some of the best ever, in my opinion. Loved Sawyer in charge (lying to Dharma, telling the truth to Alpert, his speech to Jack - never thought of it before like that, but he was right). Loved Smart-Sawyer and Juliet (who has always been smart and very hot). Hope they don’t screw that up with stupid ol’ dumb-as-an-ox Kate. “aw shucks, I’m back now! I’ll just pout over here and throw smoldering glances around.” Blech. Give me Juliet any day.
On the Egyptian thingy… do you think it’s a coincidence that there are not only a bunch of Egyptian themed names and objects floating around (R.A., Horus, the hieroglyphs, the temple and statue, Anubis/Cerebus/Smoke monster, etc), but also Hebrew/biblical? Ie, Jacob, Aaron, Daniel first and foremost, I guess “Christian Shephard” could sort of loosely fit as well.
Jacob and Aaron are pretty important Old Testament figures, especically concerning Egypt. It is Jacob’s 12 children who move the Israelites to Egypt, after all. And of course Aaron is Moses’ brother, the High Priest of God, and one of the main figures in the Exodus from Egypt (and mouthpiece of Moses). It’s about as close to evoking Moses as you can get without hitting people over the head by naming him Moses, I would guess.
How would this tie together? The Others (Egyptians) are enslaving Jacob and his people (Hebrews)? Aaron will be the key to their deliverance? Maybe I’m reading too much into it. I’m not sure how you make the leap from that theme to Age of Enlightenment philosophers… And also there are elements of other religions as well (Dharma, the Bagua symbol, Namaste, Hindu world wheel, Apollo bars, etc).
