Lost

HRose · 2009-05-08T12:26:06.000Z

Well, not exactly.

Locke is driven by unknown knowledge, Daniel has been researching the thing and came to the same conclusion in his own way.

I doubt Daniel is driven by the unknown force. He only cares about his study.

And btw, he still believes that something could be done, or he wouldn’t have tried to save the redhead.

That’s another conflict.

Coca_Cola_Zero · 2009-05-08T12:37:50.000Z

I still don’t think it makes sense for Daniel to have been acting and working secretly to ensure some future event, since the take away from his own theories is that “whatever happened happened”. It isn’t like he’s Doc Brown trying to stop people from disappearing due to paradox. Time travel as presented in Lost doesn’t have paradoxes, and therefore I just don’t see how there would be any motive for Daniel to have been acting to put things in motion. It would also be completely out of character ignoring the nuts and bolts of the time travel theory because his actions eventually sent Charlotte off the island and into the future where she comes back to the island and dies which is something he vowed to avoid.

I don’t really like the Daniel return one way or another right now just because no matter why it happened I have serious issues with it. Daniel is either stupidly blind to his own knowledge of how time travel works, or totally out of character, or (and this is most likely, given what we’ve seen so far) both.

Andrew_Mayer · 2009-05-08T12:49:41.000Z

red guy:

When a hydrogen bomb explodes, there’s a blinding white light, not unlike what happens during time jumps or during season finales. I don’t think they’re changing a single thing.

You mean kind of like the thing that happened in the sky when Desmond turned the key in the Swan?

walTer · 2009-05-08T15:34:52.000Z

It’s funny. I used to love Kate, and hate Juliet…I have completely switched now.

Kate is just annoying now and Juliet, well, I hope she makes it to the end.

And Miles, how the heck did I start liking his character?

HRose · 2009-05-08T17:24:29.000Z

There’s also the theory that wants no bomb exploding.

Considering what we’ve seen, what’s next is the “purge”, not the incident. So maybe no bomb is going to explode.

We still have to see Ben exterminating the Dharma and it has to fit with everything else.

Is someone able to put all this into a coherent explanation?

madkevin · 2009-05-08T17:44:38.000Z

HRose:

There’s also the theory that wants no bomb exploding.

Considering what we’ve seen, what’s next is the “purge”, not the incident.

No, it isn’t. The incident occurred before the purge.

Honestly, HRose, half of your wild conclusions here are based in a very weak understanding of the show so far, coupled with some bizarre insistence that the rules of Lost have to conform to your preconceived notions of time-travel stories instead of their own.

bloo · 2009-05-08T22:02:43.000Z

Where can I place a bet that the nuke doesn’t detonate?
At least not mushroom-cloud boom? Perhaps EMP boom that lets Radzinsky set up his 108 minute magnetic containment doohicky/skinner box.

HRose · 2009-05-09T00:44:41.000Z

madkevin:

No, it isn’t. The incident occurred before the purge.

Honestly, HRose, half of your wild conclusions here are based in a very weak understanding of the show so far, coupled with some bizarre insistence that the rules of Lost have to conform to your preconceived notions of time-travel stories instead of their own.

I’ve seen the seasons only once, I’m just trying to guess here like everyone else.

So, if the purge happens later then it is even more obvious that there won’t be any real explosion and it’s not the bomb who will trigger the incident.

Who dies next week if all the Dharma is still alive during the purge?

Is the 6th season be about what happen from original incident up to the plane crash? I don’t remember the timeline but it should be possible to anticipate what is going to happen considering that nothing is changing.

madkevin · 2009-05-09T04:48:37.000Z

HRose:

I’ve seen the seasons only once, I’m just trying to guess here like everyone else.

So, if the purge happens later then it is even more obvious that there won’t be any real explosion and it’s not the bomb who will trigger the incident.

Who dies next week if all the Dharma is still alive during the purge?

I don’t know, HRose. That’s why I’m watching the show. In order to find out.

Is the 6th season be about what happen from original incident up to the plane crash? I don’t remember the timeline but it should be possible to anticipate what is going to happen considering that nothing is changing.

Again, you’re assuming the show is playing by your arbitrary set of rules, instead of their own. It’s a fictional television show, not some weird documentary about the nature of time in the universe.

My guess is that the bomb interacts with the island’s energy in some way to send the characters back to the present, and the last season will be the final struggle of the many factions to gain final control of the island.

Anti-Bunny · 2009-05-09T05:49:38.000Z

Jesus Christ, Kate, I hate you so much. Please just die already.

Senjak · 2009-05-09T05:55:50.000Z

bloo:

Where can I place a bet that the nuke doesn’t detonate?
At least not mushroom-cloud boom? Perhaps EMP boom that lets Radzinsky set up his 108 minute magnetic containment doohicky/skinner box.

About that…The 108 minute skinner box required someone to enter a long string of numbers (which we now know to be the hatch serial number or something) instead of just pressing 1 button. Was that a security measure to give the Others an incentive to leave the Swan crew alone?

Also, Desmond solved the Swan problem by turning a key in the basement and making it explode, so why did they set up the 108 minute skinner box at all? Do we know? (I’m caught up on season 4 but still haven’t seen much of 3, so I don’t know how many useful answers I’m missing from that season).

madkevin · 2009-05-09T06:27:43.000Z

Senjak:

Also, Desmond solved the Swan problem by turning a key in the basement and making it explode, so why did they set up the 108 minute skinner box at all? Do we know?

The Swan was like a pressure valve - every 108 minutes, a sufficient amount of “pressure” from the weird energy source is created, so it needs to be released safely. Blowing it up is what they didn’t want to have happen - they wanted to keep studying it.

The Swan button setup wasn’t supposed to be forever. It was a band-aid solution put in place until Dharma could conclude a better way to harness the island’s energy. But between the creation of the Swan and the present, the Dharma lost control of the island, so the poor saps who were left inside the Swan (Radinsky and the dude Clancy Brown was playing) were stuck there.

Senjak · 2009-05-09T06:39:12.000Z

Anti-Bunny:

Jesus Christ, Kate, I hate you so much. Please just die already.

You’re stranded in the middle of the ocean, in a raft with Kate, Ethan and Radzinsky, and you have a gun with 1 bullet - whom/what do you shoot?

Kate
Ethan
Radzinsky
Yourself
The Raft

Answer Key:
The correct answer is (5), although (4) is also acceptable if you are certain they won’t be rescued prior to dying slowly of dehydration and/or cannibalism.

Senjak · 2009-05-09T06:44:22.000Z

madkevin:

The Swan was like a pressure valve - every 108 minutes, a sufficient amount of “pressure” from the weird energy source is created, so it needs to be released safely. Blowing it up is what they didn’t want to have happen - they wanted to keep studying it.

The Swan button setup wasn’t supposed to be forever. It was a band-aid solution put in place until Dharma could conclude a better way to harness the island’s energy. But between the creation of the Swan and the present, the Dharma lost control of the island, so the poor saps who were left inside the Swan (Radinsky and the dude Clancy Brown was playing) were stuck there.

Thank you, that makes sense now. I didn’t realize they were studying it prior to losing control of the island.

BobJustBob · 2009-05-09T10:05:07.000Z

In the preview they show the new faction in the present finally opening that big case of theirs. Anyone else want to bet there’s a hydrogen bomb in there?

Hemalin · 2009-05-09T10:54:07.000Z

madkevin:

The Swan was like a pressure valve - every 108 minutes, a sufficient amount of “pressure” from the weird energy source is created, so it needs to be released safely. Blowing it up is what they didn’t want to have happen - they wanted to keep studying it.

The Swan button setup wasn’t supposed to be forever. It was a band-aid solution put in place until Dharma could conclude a better way to harness the island’s energy. But between the creation of the Swan and the present, the Dharma lost control of the island, so the poor saps who were left inside the Swan (Radinsky and the dude Clancy Brown was playing) were stuck there.

My question is why didn’t they set up an automatic system? What is the purpose of having the “pressure release” manual? If Faraday had suggested that, then Dharma could continue studying the anomaly and their plane wouldn’t have crashed from the human factor. Instead they decide to explode a nuke with questionable results.

Roy_Ziegler · 2009-05-09T14:32:52.000Z

Hemalin:

My question is why didn’t they set up an automatic system? What is the purpose of having the “pressure release” manual? If Faraday had suggested that, then Dharma could continue studying the anomaly and their plane wouldn’t have crashed from the human factor. Instead they decide to explode a nuke with questionable results.

Because it’s Lost, and the writers had no fucking clue what the typing numbers thing would be when they introduced it.

madkevin · 2009-05-09T15:19:22.000Z

Roy Ziegler:

Because it’s Lost, and the writers had no fucking clue what the typing numbers thing would be when they introduced it.

Or, more charitably, perhaps they weren’t sure if the 108-minute cycle would continue over time, so it wasn’t possible to automate. Or perhaps the psychology wing of Dharma saw an opportunity to use press-the-button in tandem with it’s actual purpose. (We’ve already seen that Dharma is more than willing to test on it’s own people for whatever reasons - think of those journals that were sent via pnuematic tube to an empty field.)

TheTrunkDr · 2009-05-11T07:11:08.000Z

madkevin:

Or, more charitably, perhaps they weren’t sure if the 108-minute cycle would continue over time, so it wasn’t possible to automate. Or perhaps the psychology wing of Dharma saw an opportunity to use press-the-button in tandem with it’s actual purpose. (We’ve already seen that Dharma is more than willing to test on it’s own people for whatever reasons - think of those journals that were sent via pnuematic tube to an empty field.)

Also, it keeps The Others from just killing them off. Otherwise what’s the point of the security code.

Jazar · 2009-05-11T07:48:33.000Z

Hemalin:

My question is why didn’t they set up an automatic system? What is the purpose of having the “pressure release” manual? If Faraday had suggested that, then Dharma could continue studying the anomaly and their plane wouldn’t have crashed from the human factor. Instead they decide to explode a nuke with questionable results.

They couldn’t find a 108 minute version of this dude: