5041

Seeing his plan articulated like that, I now love it. Seriously - it is my new favorite plan ever, and I want a T-shirt that says this.

5042

I wish they had dropped Kate-The-Ruiner down a hole (onto a nuke) instead of Juliet.

5043

Okay. I’m willing to cut the Jacob thing some slack because that guy is not a no-name actor. He usually plays assholes (Dexter’s girlfriend’s ex-husband, etc.), so you couldn’t very well bring him in and expect people not to notice this totally major dude walking in from out of nowhere without dropping his name, and then you run into issues with people seeing where your plot is coming from.

I suspect, though, that the final conclusion the plot will come to is that “Jacob” is a lot of people - Bible Jacob, some dude from Egyptian mythology, some other similar dude from Greek and Roman mythology (before the Egyptian integration to the Roman pantheon - otherwise, things would get confusing, though they could pick one of the guys who served double duty). On the plus side, it turns out that the internet rumor mill is pretty damn good at figuring out who’s going to be dead, since everywhere has pretty much called this since the pilot for V started shooting.

That said, the motivation shifting was a little bit of bullshit. I’m kind of shocked that Cuse and Lindeloff couldn’t come up with something more reasonable to motivate these characters. I don’t mind the reveals (particularly the count-to-5 thing, which integrates well into the backstory for the series), but it seems like the people changing their minds bit should have happened over three episodes rather than two and been motivated by a little bit more that the plot to Eternal Sunshine.

Oh - I noticed somebody asked who muffed the line of ash. I want to say that was Hurley last season. They found the cabin entirely by accident and he turned around and ran off in the opposite direction, but not without screwing up the circle. If it wasn’t him, it was somebody because I remember seeing it shown with loving and intricate detail.

So, questions:

  1. Whose eye was that at the end?

  2. What’s the energy source on The Island? If it’s a crashed spaceship people will be disappointed.

  3. Who has been directing The Others?

  4. What is this off-Island organization and how are they related to the current situation? When drug-addicted-husband met presumably-Israeli-lady in the clinic, it sounded like he already knew her from before.

  5. It’s obvious that we are at least supposed to think that NewLocke is the guy from the beginning of the episode. Who is that? The writers went out of their way to avoid dropping names.

  6. Minor quibble - when shit got real after the Freighter folks showed up last season, Ben led Locke to The Cabin. Vuh? If he’s supposed to be all bitter about not being the favorite son, where’d the directions come from?

This should be an interesting season break. Hopefully they’ll get to do their standard ARG this time - the economy kind of crapped all over their plans for this season. They have told us to expect to hear the name Hanso on the show, so the Dutch founder of the Dharma Initiative should show up again. I actually thing this is coming together about as nicely as you could expect. The writers clearly threw a bunch of jacks down on the floor all the way through the halfway point of the third season and they’re doing an at least adequate job of picking them up. At least THIS time when it turns out that A Wizard Did It, we’ll have known about the wizard for more than, you know, the last episode.

5044

I think they needed Hurley to get them to the right general area (because he had seen the cabin more recently than anyone else), and that’s why Locke wanted Hurley to stay with the Locke/Ben/Hurley group while the Sawyer/Claire/Miles group tried to get back to the beach. Then Locke had a dream about Horace building the cabin originally, and dream-Horace told him to find his (Horace’s) body because he had a map to the cabin in his pocket when he was killed. I think the dream was a weird looping dream where Horace chopped down the same tree and said the same things over and over until Locke understood what he needed to do.

Having said all that, I should mention that I caught up on season 4 while also watching season 5, so I could be mixing several incidents together here.

5045

In the promo? That was Jack’s eye, it was exactly the same footage as the opening scene of the series. Perhaps suggesting a more localized time loop for kick off next season?

  1. What is this off-Island organization and how are they related to the current situation? When drug-addicted-husband met presumably-Israeli-lady in the clinic, it sounded like he already knew her from before.

Seems to me they are the off-island version of the Others in service of Jacob. What their exact goal was in all of the stuff we just saw… who knows, but they seem to be on Jacob’s side (the hospital visit, they visited the cabin seemingly expecting to find the fake Locke there to confront him, etc).

  1. It’s obvious that we are at least supposed to think that NewLocke is the guy from the beginning of the episode. Who is that? The writers went out of their way to avoid dropping names.

The yin to Jacob’s yang? Obviously we just don’t know who he is, but presumably he’s like Widmore to Ben (or vice versa), etc, perhaps he’s also Jacob’s “constant”, though I’m not sure if they are ever going to revisit that concept.

5046

Well, I hoped the ending would link past and future, but it didn’t.

So, the future we can avoid speculating as there’s so much mumbo-jumbo that there aren’t the premises to conclude anything.

But the past?

What we saw was the incident as we know it, or the bomb exploded and changed things?

I mean, the magnetic collapse should be the incident the way we know it, but the explosion of a bomb is likely to have a much different effect, also because that scene with Bernard confirms that the whole island is supposed to blow up.

So:
1- We got a different scenario
2- magnetic collapse + bomb = weird effect that is the incident as we know it
3- another jump

5047

Whatever the bomb does I think it is part of Jacob’s plan to counteract unLocke’s efforts to kill him.

5048

I see the first scene with Jacob and anti-Jacob like the way to read the whole thing.

It is Jacob who wants people on the island in the first place. I assume that anti-Jacob never really leads anyone.

From my point of view there’s Jacob and his men (everyone), and the smoke monster. The smoke monster is the one who looks more like an antagonist and the one who’s less reliable.

The new “others” get along with the old ones, so they are all with Jacob. In the shack they find a sign to know where Jacob moved, so my guess is that Jacob left that sign.

As far as we know only the new Locke is allied somehow with anti-Jacob, and maybe he possessed Locke body in the same way Jacob used to possess Jack father body.

5049

But yet they have a tradition of sending themselves to be judged by the smoke monster?

5050

Well, the smoke monster is very good at conveying the message that people are not welcome on the island (Flight 815 pilot, mercenaries). It’s the bouncer at club “The Island”. I guess Ben would prefer to be judged here & now, instead of running around on the island knowing that he’s constantly one breath away from possible death by smoke.

5051

I’d gotten the impression it was more of an institution, but your point makes sense. Also felt as though he was half-bullshitting and the unLocke simply forced his hand.

What were the instances where Smokey let people be? Was it Locke?

They’ve got one more season to nail out this mythology. If they don’t reveal a Bible-load the first episode then, I swear - with all of you as my witness … I will bitch about it some more.

5052

This finale had me teterring between wtfisthisshit and omgawesome.

The best scene was the confrontation between Ben and Jacob. Finally we get to see a genuine side of Ben raging against his master and asks “What about me?” Jacob who throughout the whole finale has been shown as kind and helpful to the Losties looks at Ben for a moment and retorts, “What about you?”

I think I would’ve stabbed him too.

5053

Mr. Ekko stared it down in its first lingering appearance. But then, it later killed him. That flip-flop by Smokey never made any sense to me except that the actor had asked out of the series because he had an opportunity to do some directing.

5054

They should’ve just had Micheal run into the room and shoot him in the chest.

5055

Dude, what show have you been watching for the past 5 years? You’re definitely going to be bitching about it some more if you think Lost is EVER going to drop a bible load of revelations on us.

5056

I started to close my eyes and make up my own story during season three, and am constantly perplexed by the alternate timeline I’m being delivered on television. I’m counting on Jack to nuke ABC and fix everything to proper.

5057

I’m undecided on how much I like/dislike that season finale. On the one hand, it was action packed, tied a few more things together, had a couple of big revelations, and VINCENT! On the other hand, if the entire series turns out to be Jacob and Anti-Jacob pulling one long mindfuck on everyone I’m going to be more than a little dissapointed.

I mean, I’m not totally opposed to where this seems to be going. I like the idea that Anti-Jacob may have actually been the “ghosts” many people on the island have seen over the years, and that he could even be the smoke monster as well. I like the thought that the whole thing could be some kind of Ragnarok between ancient gods. What I don’t want to see if everything all neatly tied up by basically revealing “oh, these two all powerful beings have been playing a game of GO using humans as pieces for hundreds of years, now it’s done, and we’ll return you all to life & normalcy once a winner has been determined”.

I’m psyched for next year though!

5058

again, you have no need to worry about anything being neatly tied up.

This is kinda random, inspired by the idea of anti-locke being the smoke monster. It was a weird impression I got, but… I have to wonder if Juliet is the smoke monster. The chains pulling her down to the EM pocket definitely reminded me of when Locke was being pulled down a hole by the snake monster… and we haven’t seen the smoke monster in the past yet.

Probably/almost definitely wrong, but a weird idea that crossed my mind.

5059

Heh! She’s at ground zero, after all.

I have to keep reminding me that the separate threads are thirty years apart, because my alternate reality version wants the spilling of blood to be the point of corruption on the island - wherein we get Smokey, disaster miscarriages and whisper madness. But obviously that happens well before unLocke.

5060

Yes, that was a highlight for us as well. And it was cool to see Rose and Bernard living peacefully, retired on a deserted island, so-to-speak. I liked how she scolded the gang for always running around shooting each other.

Overall, a satisfying season ender.