Lost

Nawid_A · 2009-05-15T21:31:36.000Z

Y’know this episode does not get nearly enough credit for how well it deals with so much exposition while still combining action. Compare it to BSG and how inorganic the final season of BSG was.
Also on a BSG comparison, I think Giacchono (sp) is now as good as McCreary. The music in this episode was phenomenal. Sure he doesn’t bust out Persian instruments that no one has heard of, and he still hasn’t gotten a spotlight episode, but he’s still fucking fantastic and maybe even better than McCreary at creating mood.

HRose · 2009-05-15T22:00:34.000Z

nawida:

Y’know this episode does not get nearly enough credit for how well it deals with so much exposition while still combining action

So much exposition?

Nothing happens! We were waiting to see what happened with the incident and they padded the whole thing so much (creating stupid conflicts just for the sake of gratuitous drama) that they showed everything BUT what’s up with the incident. We knew everything.

So in one and half hour the just introduced the silly concept of Jacob and anti-Jacob that we have now to retcon to the whole thing and that basically undoes all that happened up to this point.

Coca_Cola_Zero · 2009-05-15T22:01:58.000Z

HRose:

Why everyone thinks Juliet died and everyone else is fine and dandy when A BOMB EXPLODED?

I don’t think Juliet is dead. I don’t think she’ll be a major character next season, but I think she’ll be back eventually. If everyone else gets ‘reset’ to the time of the crash or whatever ends up happening, I think she will too since she wasn’t dead at the time of the flash.

Andrew_Mayer · 2009-05-15T22:06:21.000Z

I think Juliet is dead.

Dead dead dead dead dead. Not the other kind.

But then, I thought the same thing about Jin last year.

Coca_Cola_Zero · 2009-05-15T22:13:19.000Z

Well, they could obviously go either way with it. IMO the unlikely situation of her surviving the fall and remaining conscious plus the bomb not going off seemed like it was at least partially a way for them to have her not actually be dead in a way that is easier to explain away later (once you accept the fact that the bomb going off near a big EM source is going to cause a time travel event, of course).

Andrew_Mayer · 2009-05-15T22:16:26.000Z

Coca Cola Zero:

Well, they could obviously go either way with it. IMO the unlikely situation of her surviving the fall and remaining conscious plus the bomb not going off seemed like it was at least partially a way for them to have her not actually be dead in a way that is easier to explain away later (once you accept the fact that the bomb going off near a big EM source is going to cause a time travel event, of course).

Hmmm. I always figure if they show you the “last heroic act” there’s a much better chance of them staying dead.

Coca_Cola_Zero · 2009-05-15T22:17:15.000Z

Yeah well on that topic… I suspect we’re gonna see Charlie again too and not just visiting Hurley.

HRose · 2009-05-15T22:26:34.000Z

Coca Cola Zero:

Well, they could obviously go either way with it. IMO the unlikely situation of her surviving the fall and remaining conscious plus the bomb not going off seemed like it was at least partially a way for them to have her not actually be dead

To me it was just an excuse to make another useless cliffhanger. The whole episode was made of excuses for spectacle (testosterone brawl between Sawyer and Jack, love chat between Jack and Kate, love chat between Juliet and Sawyer, Jack going alone against the camp so that all the other can do a cool rescue later on…) that were superfluous.

Erich · 2009-05-15T23:08:58.000Z

Sounds like a TV show to me.

Roy_Ziegler · 2009-05-16T02:14:46.000Z

That’s a pretty shitty defense.

There are TV shows out there with actual good writing. Not many, like most forms of entertainment, but they’re out there.

Brad_Grenz · 2009-05-16T02:43:29.000Z

I liked the brawl between Sawyer and Jack.

Sawyer: “Why are you gonna blow up the island and kill everyone?”
Jack: “Cause I screwed up my relationship with Kate!”
Sawyer: PUNCH YO FACE

zengonzo · 2009-05-16T05:53:30.000Z

HRose:

(testosterone brawl between Sawyer and Jack, love chat between Jack and Kate, love chat between Juliet and Sawyer, Jack going alone against the camp so that all the other can do a cool rescue later on…)

A perfect amalgam of everyone’s favorite parts of the series …

And Sawyer and Juliet were maintaining a stable, adult relationship mostly devoid of high school angst. Must’ve been unintentional.

John_Sansker · 2009-05-16T06:02:29.000Z

corsair:

Mr. Ekko stared it down in its first lingering appearance. But then, it later killed him. That flip-flop by Smokey never made any sense to me except that the actor had asked out of the series because he had an opportunity to do some directing.

Actually, everything I’ve read/heard about Eko’s departure revolved around the “real world” situation of Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Terry O’Quinn hating each other in a “cats-and-dogs” level of dislike.
Basically, “he goes or I go” type of request from Eko, and since Locke was a more central character, Eko got beat down by old smokey.

John_Sansker · 2009-05-16T06:12:32.000Z

nabeel:

On simply an aesthetic level I loved how the episode closed with a fade-to-white.

Uhmmmm, that wasn’t a fade-to-white.

That was a flash.

Something happened.
What exactly?
We hafta wait friggin 7 months to see.

I’m thinkin that by droppin the nuke down the hole and either 1) creating the incident that they referred to in the Swan. Or, 2) creating a different incident entirely that they effectively did a “server reset” and the Oceanic 815 people will wake up at LAX as the plane lands.
At least, the ones that didn’t die on the island.
So, the plane lands and half the people or so are missing.

theborbes · 2009-05-16T06:35:23.000Z

Roy Ziegler:

That’s a pretty shitty defense.

There are TV shows out there with actual good writing. Not many, like most forms of entertainment, but they’re out there.

Name some of those tv shows with ‘actual good writing’ so that I may properly make fun of you :P you showed some good writing there, actually ;)

Personally I hope Juliet is dead. I hated her face… no matter what emotion she had or what she was trying to say she always had this stupid smirk on her face. Did she have a stroke or something early in life?

Not sure how the writers will show that she died, but I don’t think she’ll be doing her new show and lost next year. Maybe! let’s hope not.

rajah_sulayman · 2009-05-16T07:14:39.000Z

John Sansker:

Actually, everything I’ve read/heard about Eko’s departure revolved around the “real world” situation of Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Terry O’Quinn hating each other in a “cats-and-dogs” level of dislike.
Basically, “he goes or I go” type of request from Eko, and since Locke was a more central character, Eko got beat down by old smokey.

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I’d heard. Though it was more of Agbaje butting heads with everyone, including O’Quinn (who everyone on the show loved because he was such a nice guy). In other words, Agbaje was just a dick.

Erich · 2009-05-16T07:50:24.000Z

Roy Ziegler:

That’s a pretty shitty defense.

There are TV shows out there with actual good writing. Not many, like most forms of entertainment, but they’re out there.

Rawr!

I wasn’t defending the writing. More like an observation that TV shows tend to go for the broad appeal (“love chats”, the spectacle HRose complained about). That’s how they survive for six seasons on network TV.

bloo · 2009-05-16T10:58:35.000Z

John Sansker:

I’m thinkin that by droppin the nuke down the hole…

Crap. I was going to bitch about the unrealistically small and light “nuke” core, then I found this:

en.wikipedia.org

W54

The W54 was one of the smallest nuclear warheads deployed by the United States. It was a very compact implosion-type nuclear weapon design, designed for tactical use and had a very low yield for a nuclear weapon, in the range of 10 to 1,000 tons TNT equivalent. Its original use was in the Davy Crockett short-range rocket, but it was later adapted as a man-portable Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM), and later as the basis of nuclear-tipped air-to-air missiles. A later development was the ...

Davy_Crockett_bomb.jpg800×628

All four variants share the same basic core: a nuclear system which is 10.75 inches diameter (270 mm), about 15.7 inches long (400 mm), and weighs around or slightly over 50 pounds (23 kg).

In Little Feller II (July 7) [1962], the warhead was suspended only three feet above the ground and had a yield equivalent to only 22 tons of TNT

So…

I’m thinking the baby nuke suppresses the magnetic activity (via magic EMP or something) long enough for Radzinksky and survivors to figure out how to set up the 108 minute action to keep the energy pocket from asploding the world. But we won’t see this.

At the statue, there will be a blinding flash, Jacob will disappear, Anti-Locke too. DeadLocke will come back to life. The 1977 crew who were near the explosion will be be thrown forward in time, i.e., Rose and Bernard stay in 1977 and will end up getting gassed in the purge but will have gone to the cave for some closure on the skeletons - this will not be seen. Juliet will also be thrown forward in time, but at the bottom of now filled-in hole and be dead. Vincent will not be seen again, unless the island keeps him alive for 30+ years because it likes him. And no one will understand what is going on for 2/3 of the season (Kate won’t understand until some years after that).

mystery · 2009-05-16T12:22:30.000Z

bloo:

(Kate won’t understand until some years after that).

Yes, but to be fair, she’s certain to be hot during that time.

Nawid_A · 2009-05-16T12:37:41.000Z

Does anyone else think the bloke on the left in the picture above looks like Shawn Elliot?

Anyways, I’m going to have to start my rewatch of the entire series soon.