So time is reset so that the plane never crashed, but the people who died during the course of events that never happened are mysteriously removed from the universe?
How does that work?
Senjak
5102
I have a nuke related question:
It was my understanding that most of our nukes are fission bombs, a Hydrogen bomb is a fusion bomb, and at our level of technology we can only start a fusion reaction by using a fission bomb (not counting some experimental fusion reactors which can’t sustain a reaction for more than a few seconds). We start a fission reaction by using a sphere of conventional explosive material, shaped to direct its energy inward, causing the (plutonium?) core to start a chain reaction and then (atomic kaboom).
Assuming any of that is correct, was the part they removed from Jughead the entire inner fission bomb, or just the radioactive part of it? The point of all this is I’m wondering if Daniel needed a full nuke to go off in that hole, or just a regular explosion enhanced with radioactive cooties.
bloo
5103
That’s my understanding, Senjak:
I had a hard time figuring out how Rose and Bernard went back in time 30 years until I figured out that it would be the same way Juliet, Sawyer/Ford and Jin went back. They were on the island when the final time flash happened.
And having to wait till January for more LOST just SUCKS.
jeffd
5105
You’re right, re H-bomb technology.
That being said, while the core of a bomb is (relatively) small, all that other stuff is there for a reason! Setting off a thermonuclear reaction is, as it turns out, a pretty complex affair. Not one you can manage just by whacking at it with a rock!
Chuck
5106
Yes, but Sayid rigged it (off camera) to explode on contact.
And the green eyes at the end had to be Kate’s.
Seeing that the implied conclusion is that the bomb has gone off and they have rewritten time, and that they pretty consistently throw misdirections which obfuscate the true conclusions, it’s seems safe to assume that this will ultimately not be the case.
Is it the implied conclusion that they changed time?
Given that we’ve seen nothing after they set off the bomb, I think one of the major remaining mysteries that will presumably be answered in the first episode of the last season is whether anything changed or if this was what always happened.
WHA?! Blasphemy! I was really upset with what happened to Juliet. As Kate became more skin and bones she started to look like a 12 year old boy. Over that same period of time Juliet seemed to become more and more beautiful. Her steady way of speaking and overall calmness really defined her character and made her one of my favorites. I liked her little constant smile. It was like she was always clued into a joke that no one else got.
As far as the plot, yes. I feel that it is the implied conclusion because the only suggestion to the contrary has been Miles’ single remark. Do you not agree that this is what they’ve been aiming to imply in the story? I’m saying that they’ve done this as a matter of misdirection …
While I have no way of guessing what the end result will actually be, I’m rather confident of what it won’t be. Could still be wrong, naturally - but that seems to be Lost’s procedure.
I’m not so sure. I never took it for granted that they were right about what they were working toward, I guess because I assumed that they were playing in hard science fiction, Connie Willis Historian style “this is teh past, losers” plotting. I mean, I won’t be miffed if they DID change something, but that’s not being implied to me. This might be one of those personal things, though.
I DO think it would be a horrible, terrible mistake to let them have changed anything, however. Everybody on that damn rock that wanted to change the past was basically copping out of dealing with the consequences of their own bad actions. Letting them off the hook seems to me to be the easy way out for everybody. That said, if it plays like the end of the video game, they won’t have changed much of anything that matters at all - maybe some extra dudes will be alive that weren’t alive before.
Of course - but just to be sure we’re talking about the same thing … I’m not suggesting that the characters were ever going to be right, but that it is what the producers have been trying to imply to the audience without giving any evidence outright. As with the Jin death, where they only showed material that suggested he was dead, while simply omitting the facts that would show he had survived.
So it’s less that I think it was the true conclusion, more that the true conclusion will be what the producers have avoided. Miles statement was the only one within the show that suggested our presumed true conclusion.
Oh. Sure, I guess. I’m so far removed from normal human perception that I sometimes have a hard time telling what the authors are trying to actively imply. I agree that the implication, at a minimum, is that they’ve gone back to where they originally were. Beyond that, I wouldn’t know. I guess this is one of those things polling your doods on Twitter or whatever it is that the kids do these days is good for.
I guess it depends on what you think Juliet is thinking when she smirks. Is it “We’ll get through this and laugh about it later” or “Morons like you are so adorable”. I love Juliet, so it doesn’t matter to me.
DT1
5115
So it turns out that they have confirmed that the statue was Tawaret.
She was apparently a wife of Apep, who turned into Set, who used to thumb wrestle with Horus and so on. I’m not too pumped to have to study Egyptology to follow the plot next year.
Your parents will be pleased.
Pure speculation really.
I’m actually reasonably certain that Jack and Co wake up on the island, it’s just a question of “when”.
Is it 2004? (right after the crash of 815 and they hafta, “Go back Jack and do it again” ? ( sorry, I really couldn’t resist) [this would also explain/follow up on how Desmond knew what was going to happen all the time ie saving Charlie]
Is it 2007? ( right after the crash of 316)
Is it later in 2007? (after the death of Jacob)
Wtf we’re back in 1977 again?
It’s really anybody’s guess as to when and where they woke up.
The LAX thing was pure speculation of the least likely scenario.
Ok, yes, this is an “implosion” type device.
There is the other “gun” type device.
Which is what they apparently removed from the “Jughead” weapon.
This type uses a small chunk of fissionable material and another larger chunk, each of which are situated at the ends of a tube assembly.
An explosive charge at the end with the small chunk is detonated, propelling the smaller mass into the larger mass at the other end.Which then leads to “Mr Uncontrolled Reaction” aka atomic kaboom.
hmmm… I took it differently, that she was just a crappy actress. Maybe she isn’t, perhaps the director or whoever is coaching her off camera “react to everything the same way. Angry? smirk. Happy? Smirk. reproachful, smirk. You’re gonna die? alright this time you can turn on the water works”
But I will definitely admit that she is hotter than Kate… just not in the face with that damn smirk.
Seriously, I don’t think she’s been “clued into” anything more than the other characters for a while now.
Ah, im probably just getting worked up over nothing, but it’s a pet peeve, and I’m glad I won’t have to see that pompous smirk many more times, if at all. Unless I start watching her new show.
That would be the V re-interpretation, which will also have Dunham’s Boyfriend from Fringe, Alan Tudyk, and Inara (whose name I cannot remember) from Firefly.
Also, I will be shocked if Juliet never shows up in the show at all next season. She won’t be able to shoot Lost as a regular along with another show concurrently, but they could get her down there to do a couple of episodes.
