I’ll let you know next season.

I was assuming that Jacob and False Locke was the same type of god/creature/alien, and just good & evil opposites. But Jacob can get killed by Ben with a knife but False Locke can’t.

Makes me think “dying” was part of a plot by Jacob to break what I think was a timeless stalemate with False Locke, but boy is there a lot of collateral damage…

Really, faint glimmers of possibility in every fifth or so episode along the way, and abiding interest in the characters and concept from the beginning have kept me hooked … Nevermind being so close to the end - how could I possibly give up now, right? Good time following bad.

My previous issues with plot resolution are actually taking a back seat at the moment to the inexplicable motivations and stupidity of the characters. The wit has gradually drained to what we have now, which appears to be puppets flailing aimlessly in the dark.

Apologies for venting frustration in the thread.

Well… can’t say there wasn’t any action in this one.

It’s The Stand with better production values! What’s not to like? (Besides, griping about it is half the fun, hehe.)

I don’t know if it’s a testament to the amount of action movies I’ve seen, or if it’s just a standard move, but I saw the resolution of the Sayid vs. Mobsters scene well before he threw the first punch.

That being said, Sayid is a badass, and we all know it.

Yep, the only thing missing this episode was him slowly walking away from an explosion.

Yeah, that’s a pretty apt comparison.

I’m still a huge fan of Lost, the series - I just can’t stand Lost, the television show.

With awesome rock music in the background…

The music they DID play when Sayid was walking out of the temple to join Smoky and his followers was CREEP-Y.

And wtf was Kate doing? I’m guessing she’s just following Claire and trying to figure out what’s happening. I hope she hasn’t turned eeeee-vil.

Sayid’s transformation reminds me of BOB’s possession of Leland Palmer in Twin Peaks.

Kate didn’t look eeeevil in the closing shot, she looked sort of like “Oh hell, may have made the wrong decision here, but I better play it out…”

I like that they’re doing the Jack vs Locke thing the writers hyped up a couple seasons ago. Of course, Locke’s dead and it’s Unlocke but it’s close. Too bad about Dogen(?).

Kate will be the major key in the upcoming Jack vs. Sawyer thing yet again. She’s just merely walking along with the evil group.

Course it’s almost indistinguishable if there’s a “good” or “evil” group at this point, even smokey vs. the weirdo machinations of the Jacobites.

— Alan

So, this episode was worse than Kate’s.

Well, remember that last season for half of it characters were doing things simply without any motivation.

Then the very last few episodes Faraday popped up and suggested that the point was to alter time. In the end a motivation came out.

The problem is that the characters themselves should be really, really tired of being manipulated and wouldn’t continue to swallow all this opaque bullshit.

Even if the plot will make sense in the end they still have blown up every attempt at believability.

Sayid didn’t transform.

He’s the only character who has a proper motivation. He’s asked by an idiot to kill someone just because he said so.

He goes out, does it, and it doesn’t work. This other guy promises him he can resuscitate people, and, no small feat, he’s THERE TO PROVE IT (being both immortal and reborn, being Locke very dead).

So Sayid returns and asks the other guy his own motivation. This other guy tells him that he simply followed the promise of another one to resuscitate his son, with the clause that he wouldn’t see him again. Sayid and Dogen share the exact same stupid motivation, with the difference that Dogen’s guy is very dead, while Sayid one is alive and showing the concrete miracle.

It’s not really amazing which side Sayid decided to pick and it doesn’t have anything to do with being evil. Right now Jacob’s appeal and behavior are awful. He’s the good guy only because they call him that.

As AV Club put it, Kate’s scene was like being the last normal person in the ending of a pod person movie. Just hoping that everyone doesnt notice that you aren’t a pod person yet.

That said, I fully expected Kate to let Claire out of the pit and then Claire would go kill Dogan. Why? Because Kate always messes everything up…

Well, on and off for longer than that, even.

By season 3 they were making stupid decisions, but for good, human reasons.

Then by 4 they kind of started to flail about, as if completely uncertain of what to do, but unwilling to bide their time and figure things out, opting instead for generally self-destructive behavior.

Sawyer becomes an exception in 5, and even beyond that manages to finally give some direction to the whole group. They manage to live comfortably for two fucking years in a stable environment. Then Jack and Kate show up, and everyone loses their goddamn minds in a matter of days as if by some neural instability effect field. Or maybe it’s something to do with the cameras actually being on them. Makes people act stupid.

Now, they seem to have devolved to being mindless puppets, bouncing around between modest willpowers without pause or consideration for their actions.

Sorry, not completely. Sometimes they ask ‘why’, but they are easily rebuffed by ‘cause’.

Sayid’s senseless acceptance of The Shogun’s demand was a new low in character study for this show. It’s essentially become a lampshade for what the real problem is - not any plot inconsistencies, nor the unanswered questions, but the complete lack of any personality in the main characters. They all appear as a collective of mindless automaton drifters, bouncing from event-to-event. This is what really made the early shows good for me - when there were no answers at all. But there were people who behaved reasonably to unreasonably situations. Even when they fucked up, they fucked up like humans. Not random action generators.

The only people who have retained any sense of humanity or character are the second-tiers, who end up latching onto one of the crazy bastards. For whatever reason (lack of attention?), though might they end up following the crazies, those people still actually have the sense to question and wonder and sometimes even try to avoid disaster rather than diving headfirst into it - or, worse, making every effort to cause it.

So, there it is - The Ascendancy: Jack, Kate, Swayer, Sayid, Ben, Richard - causally-oblivious, soulless angels; Hurley, Jin, Miles, Frank, Desmond - poor, helpless humans stuck just trying to make it through the fucking mess of astral madness.

Ugh, that went on longer than I’d intended. Think I’ve got it out of my system.

Your explanation makes a certain amount of sense, but I’m pretty sure the writers showed a transformation, not just a rational choosing of sides. We’ll see soon enough.

I got the impression he had become corrupted - seems like The Shogun would be as well now.