Lost

DT1 · 2010-03-03T06:25:27.000Z

jerri blank:

Your explanation makes a certain amount of sense, but I’m pretty sure the writers showed a transformation, not just a rational choosing of sides. We’ll see soon enough.

I agree with you on this. When Ben tells Sayid that there is time to escape and Sayid turns to him and says ominously, “Not for me.”, the implication is pretty clear.

BobJustBob · 2010-03-03T07:19:21.000Z

Great episode, but god the exposition in the sideflash was so clunky. “Traveling around the world translating business documents for a large corporation is hardly what I’d call exciting.” Also, I have a brother and I have never once greeted him with “Hello, brother.”

Jazar · 2010-03-03T07:22:45.000Z

The scene where Ben goes in to save Sayid, walks in and sees all the dead bodies, realizes the guy is a nutjob, then backs away slowly. Awesome.

Lloyd_Heilbrunn · 2010-03-03T07:26:40.000Z

I really don’t think I like the setting off of the Losties on opposite sides of the Good/Evil fight.

Whatever their differences, a recurring them in Lost is that “our guys and gals” stuck together against all the outsiders: Others, Other Others, Dharma, & Widmore and the mercs.

The only exception was Micheal, which proved the rule by how shocking it was…

Jazar · 2010-03-03T07:31:31.000Z

Well Locke and Jack have always been against each other. In season 4 they go separate ways and split the crew apart.

DT1 · 2010-03-03T07:33:48.000Z

Jazar:

Well Locke and Jack have always been against each other. In season 4 they go separate ways and split the crew apart.

Except it isn’t Locke anymore, it’s MIB. Is it safe to assume that Jack will be embodied by Jacob at some time?

DT1 · 2010-03-03T07:36:25.000Z

Lloyd Heilbrunn:

I really don’t think I like the setting off of the Losties on opposite sides of the Good/Evil fight.

I know what you mean. Now it’s the story of Jacob and his evil counterpart (whose name we don’t even know), with the flash-sideways as presumably the happy ending when the original timeline destructs.

Jazar · 2010-03-03T07:39:37.000Z

DT:

Except it isn’t Locke anymore, it’s MIB. Is it safe to assume that Jack will be embodied by Jacob at some time?

Point is though that the crew didn’t stick together. They took sides.

DT1 · 2010-03-03T07:43:44.000Z

Jazar:

Point is though that the crew didn’t stick together. They took sides.

Okay, guess I missed your point then, because the original timeline hasn’t been about Jack and Locke for awhile now.

Jazar · 2010-03-03T07:48:01.000Z

Ender:

Uhh, claire didn’t look very fair. She looks way less cute than earlier seasons.

I’m glad that Miles agrees with me that “Claire is still hot.”

skedastic · 2010-03-03T07:54:59.000Z

Sayid running off to knife someone because the Samurai said so isn’t completely out of character: that someone is already dead, and Sayid has reason to believe the temple people are good guys (even though they tried to kill him).

Possibly killing the Samurai is within character, but nonchalantly slitting the hippy guy’s throat and smirking about it isn’t. It would seem Sayid has transformed. Or the writing has become really bad.

mystery · 2010-03-03T07:56:37.000Z

BobJustBob:

Also, I have a brother and I have never once greeted him with “Hello, brother.”

It’s the Desmond influence on the show. I can’t see my own brother without saying the same, now.

Paul_cze · 2010-03-03T08:25:57.000Z

That was a spectacular episode. Ninja/Sayd fight, Sayid shooting Keamy, Sayid stabbing smokey without a word, Sayid really rocked this episode : ).

zengonzo · 2010-03-03T08:37:14.000Z

skedastic:

Sayid running off to knife someone because the Samurai said so isn’t completely out of character: that someone is already dead, and Sayid has reason to believe the temple people are good guys (even though they tried to kill him).

Not out of character, no - completely devoid of character. But not out of character, as he’d been doing just such since the Ben days.

Seriously, he asks the guy explicitly, ‘why should I trust you’ and the guy doesn’t even have the courtesy to bullshit him. And so he just goes and does it. And then Smokey says, ‘no, you go kill him’, and so he does that, too.

The Shogun’s only fatal mistake was not bringing out the double-dog-dare.

Telefrog · 2010-03-03T08:39:33.000Z

skedastic:

Or the writing has become really bad.

What, just now?

skedastic · 2010-03-03T08:47:01.000Z

zengonzo:

Seriously, he asks the guy explicitly, ‘why should I trust you’ and the guy doesn’t even have the courtesy to bullshit him.

But it’s not unreasonable for the Sayid we know to decide to stab the zombie he’s going to meet even if he doesn’t trust the Samurai.

If we take, `If he speaks to you, it’s already too late’ at face value, then the transformation takes place when Smokey and Sayid talk, explaining why Sayid goes all homicidal in the temple—he’s no longer the Sayid we know.

Ender · 2010-03-03T09:44:26.000Z

Did miles call her hot or just call her a ‘blonde chick’. ‘Chick’ doesn’t mean hot. But maybe I’m misremembering the line.

Jazar · 2010-03-03T09:57:42.000Z

Miles: “She’s acting all weird, but still hot though.”

zengonzo · 2010-03-03T10:24:38.000Z

skedastic:

If we take, `If he speaks to you, it’s already too late’ at face value, then the transformation takes place when Smokey and Sayid talk, explaining why Sayid goes all homicidal in the temple—he’s no longer the Sayid we know.

I’m good with Sayid being corrupted - works pretty well. Wish they’d spent more time actually demonstrating the deterioration, though, instead of the flashes of emo Sayid (manages to get the girl he’s been pining for forever in an alternate reality and shuffles her off to his brother so he can continue to pine for her OMFG.

Also thought the temple raid had a bit of a weird tone. Sort of like some wacky slapstick movie where rats get loose at the gala, and friends keep bumping into one another under tables, and the diamonds keep getting kicked around the dance floor - only with less pies-in-faces and more knives-in-throats.

SlainteMhath · 2010-03-03T11:30:37.000Z

I like how the Temple is supposed to be in full lockdown, and yet LOSTies are walking in and out of the front door at will and even Claire just strolls into the courtyard where everyone acts all surprised. I guess there were not guards on the outside and/or she knew the secrect water buffalo knock to get let in?

Sayid was awesome this episode, and yet somehow this still feels wrong. We’re setting up a Blackie vs. Jacob showdown, with LOSTies on either side, all set to the backdrop of a time when the island didn’t even happen, and for some reason I can’t really bring myself to care.