Her Secret Service name is actually “The Flamingo.”
At this point I don’t think Jacob’s brother became the smoke monster I think the smoke monster was released (or possibly created) and took the brother’s form as he did Locke’s. Jacob’s brother’s body was left after all.
I also think that the smoke monster can’t hurt Jacob directly because he’s the guardian of the island/light not because of their step mother’s say so. I believe this inability of the smoke monster to hurt the guardian also extends to candidates.
I think Jacob is good, though still flawed. I also believe the goal of the guardian is the protection of the island/light not the protection of people or life. So step mom was able to kill their mother and the inhabitants of the island as she saw them as a threat, while Jacob and his brother were candidates. Of course being as flawed as regular people who is and isn’t a threat and how to deal with them is subjective. Jacob obviously doesn’t consider every person to be a threat. He also believes people are capable of good while his brother made it obvious he thought they were basically evil, as his step mom obviously thought.
Jacob’s brother was obviously special somehow as he saw dead people, Hurley seems to be special in the same way.
I don’t believe the smoke monster plays a specific role in protecting the island. I think the position of the guardian would exist with or without him. I think the smoke monster’s desire to leave is fueled from when he took Jacob’s brother’s form as he seems to take on some of the personality traits of the people who’s form he takes (or if he was created the personality of the one who caused his creation, Jacob’s brother). I think the smoke monster is still somehow tied to the light so the guardian is also responsible for protecting him and keeping him on the island (not that he really needs protection).
I don’t think this episode was about answering questions so much as it was just back story to expose the motivations of Jacob and Smokey. I thought it was interesting but I also think the episode wasn’t necessary. We don’t really need to understand the source of either Jacob’s or Smokey’s motivations to understand the story of the main characters. This episode could have been aired at any point in the series without gaining or losing anything. It’s ultimately filler and the third last episode being filler is a little disappointing.
jason
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Her time had come because the choice had finally been made about which boy would be the next guardian of the light. She had said, “it will be one of you” and with the unnamed guy on the verge of leaving the island (or some other thing we weren’t directly shown) he was clearly no longer the one to be guardian. So she makes Jacob drink, turning him into the new guardian, and she’s done.
Did anyone really expect anything better then this fantasy garbage?
Most of this season has been filler, but the last couple of episodes actually had stuff happening.
Yup. We found out where the smoke monster came from, except not really, and we found out why he wants to leave the island, except not really. And that took up an entire episode that completely lacked any of the characters anyone cares about (I’m talking about Hurley, Ben, and Lapidus).
Cause to me the season so far could have been boiled down to about two episodes, while this actually introduced some new dynamics. Some greater depth to previously unknown characters.
As opposed to traversing back and forth from temples to beaches and anguishing in long-established pathology.
Jazar
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Pilot
Walkabout
The Other 48 Days
Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
Happily Ever After
Lost is capable of producing some of the best moments in television history. Yesterdays episode was not one of those moments but I still have high hopes for the finale. Regardless, I’m reminded of our pal Manuel Calavera who said, “if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s this: nobody knows what’s gonna happen at the end of the line, so you might as well enjoy the trip.”
Ok, so who is the father of these two guys, Jacob and his brother?
I wasn’t thrilled with the episode overall, but I do think I see what they’re trying to show and how it is relevant to the overall plot, so it wasn’t a complete waste of time.
First of all, I agree with the posters above who have said that the Smoke Monster IS NOT Jacob’s brother at all. It would certainly seem like Jacob’s brother was not an evil person, in fact all he really wanted was to see what was beyond his known world, and to take his brother with him. He honestly seemed to care for Jacob, and after he found out about their “mom” and what she’d done he was all the more adamant about removing Jacob from her influence, which you could argue was worse than any he may have exerted.
I think the writers were trying to show that the actions of Jacob, the brother who thought himself the lesser of the two, who struggled and sacrificed to gain his “mother’s” love, were what set the Smoke Monster free. By killing or knocking out his brother, then sending him into the cave he unwittingly allowed the Smoke Monster to escape. The Smoke Monster seems to be the personification of the evil in men’s souls, and the mom seemed to be saying that the cave contained the essense of what makes men, both the good AND the evil. The Evil is now out, and looking to get off the island. The fact that it took his brothers form was simply convenience, and seems to have had nothing to do with anything related to what the unnamed brother did when he was alive (just as taking the form of Locke now seems unrelated to the real Locke, who was certainly not evil).
I think all they’ve tried to do here is illustrate that “concentrated evil” is loose on the island, it’s Jacob’s fault, and he’s been trying for centuries to right the wrong that he caused. The Source Cave is the real secret of the island, and that’s what the Guardian is there to protect by keeping people away.
What I fail to understand about the whole thing is why Jacob wants a candidate to replace him? Smokey isn’t contained, the problem remains, and yet Jacob wanted to retire? If the whole problem is Smokey, then don’t you need to fix that before passing the torch to someone else? Perhaps Jacob felt he wasn’t strong enough to fix the problem because of his connection to it, so he was looking for help? I’m not sure, as that part doesn’t seem to make sense. They still haven’t really explained WHY anyone other than Jacob and Smokey are even on the island.
HRose
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For sport, I’d suggest everyone to roll back to the first page of this thread and read it :)
I figured that she was already looking for candidates. Maybe she thought the mom was one…until the idea of raising them herself occurred to her.
I also thought her time was done due to the situation with MiB, not the village and well. She couldn’t bring herself to kill him + he could and would kill her= need a new guard. Him finding a way to the light is the tipping point in terms of timing.
Funny how many people seemed to think unmom did not name mib. It seemed to me that they were just very clever in not getting into a situation where they had to use his name. Poor mother did not know she was having twins. Unmom then killed her before she could come up with one. The rest of the time they just cleaverly used “brother”. I figure the name will be a big reveal on the last Sunday episode. I doo admit to being on the edge of my seat when baby two was announced thinking-now we get a name. To be followed by You bastards…
His name is GEORGE W. BUSH
Edit: or more likely DICK CHENEY
Could be a few things. First maybe you can’t get rid of Smokey, he’s the genie who’s now out of the bottle so all you can do is contain him to the island. It could also be that whoever is the guardian has knowledge of their own death and part of their responsibility is to find a replacement. The step mother saying her time was up was true, she was about to die, perhaps she knew it.
I don’t think we’ll ever get his name.
Totally wacko prediction for the final conflict at the end of LOST:
The LOSTies somehow get Smokey back to the Cave of Golden Light with the idea of forcing him back inside somehow. During the conflict, Jack realizes there is only one way this is going to happen, and sacrifices himself by running into the Cave of Golden Light. A burst of light and sound heralds the emergence of a White Smoke Monster from the Cave of Golden Light. It’s Jack, in smoke avatar form! He wrestles with Locke/Smokey, both of them struggling, changing forms, trying to get an advantage over each other. Somehow a surviving LOSTie, maybe Kate, or possibly even Richard in a final act of redemption, does something that weakens Locke/Smokey and White Smokey Jack (behold the power of cheese) is able to send him back into the Cave of Golden Light, sealing him back in his prison and putting the island back the way it was. This restores the fractured timelines to where they should have been and we see long lost LOSTies emerge from the woods fully restored to life and ready to leave the island once and for all (except Jack who stays to be the new Guardian). Happily ever after…
Of course, which is why I still watch it, but as I said before… People expecting the ‘Island’ or light vs dark plot stuff to make any rational sense are going to be very disappointed. So it just ends up being a lot of the characters going: “But, why is this so?” “I can’t tell you, because then you’ll just have more questions nods sagely”
HRose
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I need to parse things.
So: the island has magic, in the form of light in a cave. Jacob and black guy are normal humans who arrived on the island.
What’s the unmom? The previous Jacob/guardian? I guess she can only get killed by a candidate (MiB). She says “thanks” because she got finally replaced as she wanted (same as Jacob killed by Ben).
Facts that confirms unmom being not human:
- She alone buries the well and destroys a whole camp of men.
- We get to see Jacob and brother grow up. Unmom stays the same.
Maybe the moment she makes Jacob drink the cup she also gets vulnerable.
MiB wants to flee the island for obvious and legitimate reasons (parallel with Losties who want to go back but can’t because they are candidates). But the moment that MiB is killed then he’s jointed with the light/smoke monster. So, he wants to flee the island for legitimate reasons, but can’t anymore because of great danger.
Who’s to blame? The unmom, or destiny. Their will to leave the island is, once again, legitimate. But they can’t because they were brought there by destiny to protect the source of magic power.
Still, this whole thing just leads to just another: why? WTF is the magic light so dangerous that it can destroy the world? And why two guys need to be sacrificed to keep it at bay?
