jeff: I think Walt was just referring to the fact that beards were fake, whole island tribe setup was just a load of BS for Michael’s benefit, etc etc.

from my dad:
As for Lost – obviously, the whole plane crash on the island thing is
fake, an illusion, a delusion, or some kind of psych/lab-rat thing,
where people are being tested to see how they react to different
stresses and as different new variables are thrown at them.

Here’s my new theory – Locke: bald guy, apparently a genius at
everything he puts his mind to (ok, maybe that’s a delusion, but play
along with me here), confined to a wheelchair (at least in his past –
which might be his reality), surrounded by people with different unique
abilities that have maybe given them all different troubled pasts
because they don’t know how to handle their talents/powers effectively.
Now each of them is being tested, to bring out their unique abilties,
talents, powers, whatever. NOW think X-Men. Genius in a wheelchair,
recruiting misfit people with untrained talents and powers to create a
superhero-team of some kind. So is ‘Lost’ some kind of psycho-military
experiment to (as Jack put it once, and then forgot about) “train an
army”? (And what was that about? Jack asks Ana Lucia, hot yes, how
long she thinks it would take to train an army, and then nothing is
mentioned of it again. Instead, Sawyer (whose name is Farmer), manages
to take all the guns and hide them under his bedroll – and nobody,
NOBODY, thinks to search his sleeping area for the guns? But you can’t
have Jack, the good doctor with the evil-looking tattoos, ask how long
it would take to train an army, and then drop the whole idea with no
explanation.) Psycho-military training exercise – that’s the new
theory.

And remember what Walt said to Michael? “They’re not who they say they
are!”

And what’s this bit with “Miss Clue” who gives Michael what sounds
exactly like a psychotherapy session about his guilt about not being
there as Walt grew up? These people have supposedly been marooned on an
island in the middle of nowhere, and she calls herself “Miss Clue”? Not
Suzy Clue, or Mary Elizabeth, or Towanda? Who else on the island is so
formal as to be a “Miss” or a “Mr”? Even Mr. Echo drops the “Mr.” right
away. And Michael tells everyone that the Others who kidnapped him are
“worse off than we are”, living in tents and teepees? While his own
original group is still living under tarps propped up on sticks? And
yet, we see these Others living in real buildings, with real guards, and
names like “Miss Clue”?

And in exchange for tricking a few of the people into coming to the
Others’ camp, Michael gets to see Walt – but then he says, “and I want
the boat too”. And lo and behold, he returns to the beach, and there’s
the sailboat, drifting in with the tide.

Sayid might save the day, but not Echo. Echo is the new Keeper of the
Keyboard. That means he’s out of the action for a while – he can’t even
leave the Hatch to go “get his things”, which Charlie gets nasty about
(so has he really defeated his demons?). And where did Charlie suddenly
find this modern, clean vaccination kit that we don’t even know what
it’s for, but he’s talking Claire into getting vaccinated every nine
days? Where did that come from? How does he know it’s every nine days?
And what the hell is it for? And yes, your kids are a thousand times
better looking than hers – but remember, hers probably isn’t even real,
and maybe it’s real but not really alive. Her delusion is all wrapped up
around this baby that she didn’t even want – so maybe she gave it away
when it was born, or it died, or she had an abortion, and that’s the
guilt she’s walking around with.

They ALL have some huge guilt that they’re carrying. Jack got his
father thrown out of the medical profession. Kate (I think) killed
somebody in that bank robbery. Claire and her baby. Charlie and his
heroin. Echo and his whole life as a professional killer, responsible
for his brother’s death. Hurley and a whole string of bad things
happening around him after he used the “magic number”. The Korean woman
who tried to leave her husband. Her husband who beat (and probably
killed) people on his father-in-law’s orders. Locke – abandoned and
betrayed by both his parents, a classic case of “what did I do wrong to
make them do that?”. Sawyer, who lived a life based on big swindles and
getting revenge. Said, former torturer for Iraq. Danielle (and whatever
happened to her) who apparently killed off her whole crew years ago.
Ana Lucia who murdered the guy who had shot her, and walked out on her
job and her mother (and wait a minute – but what police force in the
world, or at least in the US, would allow a cop to work under her
mother’s command? Wouldn’t happen.) Michael, who essentially abandoned
his baby son, or at least thought he did (and who got hit by a car just
like Locke did… Hmmmmmm…). Who am I missing? Everybody else on
the beach is justa bunch of faceless, nameless people who never move a
muscle when someone is in trouble. Lady drowning in the ocean? Let’s
watch. Korean guy trying to kill Michael? Let’s watch. Sawyer
grabbing all the medicine and guns? Let’s watch. Do those other people
even exist? Are they observing the psycho-military experiment, and
therefore have to stay out of the action?

Maybe they took Mike’s blood because that’s just what they do in
hospitals… And maybe Mike’s whole thing about Walt is a delusion. IN
FACT, maybe evceryone’s flashbacks are really just delusions (remember
Locke getting run over in the parking lot when he goes after his mother?
A car hits him – in the legs – hard enough to send him flying over the
hood of the car, and he just gets up and keeps running after Mommy?
That has to be a fantasy or a delusion. Nobody gets hit like that and
just keeps walking as if nothing happened – unless nothing really
happened. Or unless that’s the moment his legs got destroyed, and the
trauma created the delusions that he’s living with now. So he’s run over
,with no damage… Then he’s in a wheelchair, then he crashes on the
island and his legs work again, then he’s hiking through the woods with
Boone and his legs start to fail (but he manages to carry Boone’s body
all the way back to the camp anyway), then his legs are okay again, then
his legs are crushed by the huge metal door in the Hatch, then they’re
okay again… Then … And then… And then … The plot thickens …
And by the way, ONLY Rose remembers seeing Locke in the wheelchair in
the airport? When’s the last time you DIDN’T notice when someone went
by in a wheelchair? Everybody saw the wheelchair on the beach after the
crash, they even used it to carry stuff around, and nobody remembered
this bald guy who came onto the plane in the chair? When someone gets
on a plane in a wheelchair, I’m sorry, but EVERYBODY sees that when
they’re boarding. “Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ll first be seating people
with babies and those who need assistance getting to their seats.” Even
before the first class folks are seated. So everyone is there to see the
guy get wheeled onto the plane first.

And what’s the deal with Kate? Second season is almost over and she
hasn’t done anything, except look vaguely cute, and follow Jack around
everywhere he goes? For someone who we were told “to watch out for,
she’s really dangerous” and who apparently masterminded a huge armed
bank robbery, she’s the one who acts like the real wuss. What has she
contributed so far, except to just barely appeal to Sawyer/Farmer’s
guilty conscience once in a while? Is she one of the psycho-military
docs?

And speaking of hot beach babes – after all this time, the ONLY times
anyone has sex is the married Koreans, and Sawyer and Ana Lucia? Come
on… After one week, that place should have turned into one great
big orgy of couples sneaking off into the woods for a little nookie.

Sawyer’s name is Ford not Farmer.

If I thought the writers even knew the answers to all of these questions, I’d say that the above theory was really great.

Unfortunately, however, I think they’re making it up as they go, and probably haven’t even decided if the island is a real place or a figment of everyone’s imagination.

no they were both rectangular… just Hugo’s was on a slant.

Have you ever dug through 4 feet of clay with a bamboo shoot?

Atleast Kate had a make shift shovel…

yes…

They’ve said many times now that the island and the people that are on it are real and are not just in someone’s head.

SolomonGrundy,

As for how they crashed, that has already been answered.

The black smoke took the plane down.

If you watch Season 1 in slow motion when the plane engine blows up you can easily see the black smoke hitting the engine and blowing it up.

It has been established last Season on the ABC.com Lost forums. If you search you can probably find the video in the forums. If you have Season 1 then check out the pilot episode beach crash scene in slow mo.

The producers have said in interviews that the island is real… there is no cheezy dream sequence here.

They producers have also said that Dharma is not an anagram… but an acronym… dum, dum dum duhhhhhhh!!! (dramatic drum roll…)

Nah the engine on the beach blew up because the guy got sucked into it. What appears to be a small black flying thing going into the engine just before it explodes is just debris. I asked some guy who asked a CG guy for the show, and he confirmed that.

Mostly good points, but he missed some bits. The vaccination kit came down with the supply drop, according to Charlie. Also, Charlie read the “every 9 days” on the label.

Walt said that they weren’t what they seemed, but he ALSO said “they’re pretending.” So there’s definitely more to the Others than we’ve seen.

I love the X-men analogy, that make Jack Cyclops, Sawyer either Wolverine or Gambit (the accent!), Kate is Jean Gray, etc. Or it could be that sitcoms and comic books tend to group characters into similar archetypes.

Here’s my question:

What was the hatch logo on the Others’ hatch?

And my theory:

It’s now officially established that the island/MacGuffin heals people, again. Locke’s leg was torn apart less than 13 days ago, and he just walked off. It’s also been established that Walt can do some sort of astral projection thingy. And, to go with my earlier theory, Walt is probably not Michael’s biological son, and I’m guessing he’s some kind of project-bred hoodoo child from the Bahamas project that was invisible on the website. Also, the people selected for kidnapping/killing are all people who have had visions, although not ALL of the people who have had visions.

And the thing that still bugs me: there’s still a sentient killcloud out there somewhere. I can’t help but think that would still be a big issue, if I were Locke or Eko.

H.

By the way, the female antagonist’s name was “Ms. Klugh,” not Ms. Clue.

Yeah, and the big scary Nigerian dude is “Mr. Eko,” not Mr. Echo.

Your point? :-P

and Jack is Jak or Jaque right?

Kate kills a lot of people. She’s gotta have some practice digging graves by now.

DHARMA=
Didn’t Have A Really Meaningful Acronym

IMO that’s what makes the Jack character a good one and one of most realistic. He’s a very reluctant leader that is under constant pressure because everyone automatically looks to him for leadership when the crap hits the fan and he’s the only doctor on an island where people are constantly needing medical attention (despite the magical magnetic healing powers of the island), of course he’s going to be on edge and prone to making questionable decisions.

Yeah, I think it is safe to say this is an established bit of the Lost world, and likely tied to the life extention project that created a 105 year old orangutan that they mention on the fake Hanso Foundation website.

IMO all signs point to the whole island experience being some sort of Truman Showesque mindf*ck experiment, with The Others being Hanso Foundation employed experiement controllers placing the cheese in the maze, but who knows to what end or why the characters have so many connections from the past or what the deal is with Walt, Claire’s baby, etc. I do hope the writers do actually have answers to these questions and aren’t just making stuff up as they go along… I think the season finale episode will go a long way towards me deciding whether or not I still love the show…

You need to slow mo it to see for yourself.

The black smoke comes from above, swoops down into the engine and flies away after the engine explodes.

The dude getting sucked into the engine is a totally different scence.

I am talking about the scene where Jack is bloodied and on his knees helping someone out (I think it is Claire). In the background (right side) is the engine… and the black smoke.

Can’t see it in real time.

My problem with the mindfuck theory is that too many people are getting killed. There definitely was something along those lines at some point, as the Pearl station shows, but I think now the Others are in roughly the same boat as the castaways, albeit with different goals. I don’t think anyone is able to contact the outside world in any way, or get away from the island, despite the boat.

H.

Yeah, that’s the one I’m talking about. I asked the guy who asked his friend who did the CG, and he said it’s supposed to be debris. He could have been lying to me, but that’s what he said.