Funkman
1742
Well, I won’t lie, a lot of that was tough to watch. Also, I was sort of hoping we’d find out what happened to Desmond, Locke and Eko and how what they did impacted the Others. Definitely solidly made, but with the exception of that part where Jack jumps up and grabs Juliet (who is a bit of alright), there wasn’t really any sequence that jumped out at me.
In any case, it felt like the 1st part of a much larger story arc, which is how I suppose it should feel.
Standard brainwashing technique.
Kate is an idiot for putting on the handcuffs.
The flashbacks didn’t do much for me, except to establish that Jack got divorced, and that he was a real SOB about it. Or was that to establish that he had some insane desire to know about his ex wife, which is the wedge they used at the end to start to wear him down?
Backov
1745
Damn good opener.
Jack has topped Sawyer in the pussy department now… One punch KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT by a skinny blonde chick.
Pretty good, but I’m even more impatient for the Others to get theirs…
I didn’t see Eko in the credits, did I miss it, or are they killing off one of the most interesting guys?
Oh Well,I’ll post in the other thread,too, and see which one wins.:)
Funkman
1747
I didn’t see Eko in the credits, did I miss it, or are they killing off one of the most interesting guys?
Yeah, he was in the credits. Eko is the very first name listed.
OK,as often happens,maybe my local station was late back from commercial.The first name I saw started with “C” and I know they are alphabetical…
Speculation not spoilers…
So, it seems clear we’re meant to think that all the people on the island are trapped in the abandoned remains of a cancelled version of The Truman Show set in some undersea biodome. That’s why a reference is made to an “aquarium” and why the sharks have a Dharma Initiative logo branded on them. It’s why Desmond could sail for weeks “west” and end up back at the island (that and some magnetic anomaly messing up his attempts at navigation.) It’s what he meant when he said that if the numbers aren’t entered into the computer, it’s the end of the “world,” which in this case is the artifical habitat. When Desmond failed to input the numbers and caused the crash of Oceanic 815, it actually activated some kind of experimental teleportation system or opened a wormhole/portal/gateway which brought the plane inside the biodome, which crashed due to the resultant stress to the airframe. Eko’s brother’s plane and Danielle’s ship were brought there in similar ways. It doesn’t explain how the airdrops of food and supplies happen, perhaps there’s some automated system at the top of the dome that drops the supplies onto the island at regular intervals. Four-toed statue? Antique slave ship? Who knows?
This better not be true. : )
What’s with all these woman looking alike?
- Jack’s jailor, Juliette.
- Jack’s ex-wife, Sarah.
- Desmond’s lady, whose name I don’t remember.
Seriously, I can’t tell a one of them apart. Could all be the same actor for all I know. The fuck?
mystery
1751
Is Juliette the name that appears as the disaffected Dharma worker who scrawls messages on the Lost game websites?
Jazar
1752
That other thread had too much hate. This one is all about the love. Man it was frustrating to watch. Phych torture just grinds my gears. I think I would’ve starved to death if I was Jack.
I’m not buying the Truman Show theory just yet. Instead, I would like to spin my pet theory out of one tiny, seemingly insignificant fact: The book Juilette brought to the book club? Stephen King’s Carrie.
So, clearly the island and the Dharma Initiative is dedicated to probing latent psychic powers. That’s why they wanted the kids: because Carrie first showed signs of her psi abilities during puberty. It also handily explains the connections between the people on the plane and all the other seemingly random coincidences, like the numbers - they’re all manifestations of the subjects latent psi abilities. Therefore, everything that’s being done to them on the island are attempts at triggering their psi powers.
… unless the book wasn’t Carrie. In which case, never mind.
Also: Did you note that just as Juilette said something like “I guess I was still under the illusion that we had free will”, THE PLANE EXPLODED? Awesome.
Yeah, I had the same problem. I had to keep pausing the TiVo to ask the wife: wait, which one is she now? And I’m usually not too stupid about these things.
Loved it overall, though. To me they really are doing an amazing job of keeping us on our toes. Yeah, they dole out the details too slowly and yeah they could very well be making it up as they go along—but at least we’re not seeing Season 1 over and over.
Also: loved Sawyer’s predicament in the cage (and being called on being dumber than the bears), and the scene with “Henry” and Kate was truly creepy. His “the next two weeks are going to be very unpleasant” line was the best moment of the episode IMHO…
ducker
1755
after talking with the wife about it this morning… I’m going to agree with her.
That group that currently have Jack, Sawyer, and Kate prisoners aren’t the “Others.”
Also… Anyone else notice that there are NO CHILDREN on their compound.
So perhaps that group of Ben, Zeke, Julliette, are “the good guys” and there is still another group out there that aren’t good…
Backov
1756
I don’t think that’s correct. Ethan and the other one were immediately dispatched to infiltrate and get “lists” of the survivors. They did their best to dress like the Others, and the one that Anna’s character killed in the first season was part of their group.
Unlless you’re talking about some other group that they’re trying to imitate and is much better then them at snatching children… But no, I think the Carrie theory has some merit. The children are probably locked away somewhere.
shift6
1757
Remember there’s potentially a second group of Others who walk silently, have kids with them, etc.
Great, so now there might be Other Others.
Alright, even though I started one of the sacreligious Season 3 threads, I’ll post here until a general consensus says otherwise. :)
I too found myself thinking there are two groups of “Others”. The lack of kids is one part of it, but also the voice Jack hears over the intercom made me think so too. I wonder if Benry’s group is trying to carry on the Dharma project stuff and have their little society while elsewhere there are “other” Others than broke off from the main group and are trying to get off the island. Perhaps the boy in the cage across from Sawyer was one?
Obviously these Others have a connection to the outside world. A lot of the stuff they showed at the start was not 20+ years old. CD player, appliances, even the Stephen King book looked more recent, plus they were able to get background data on Jack easily, which implies some kind of data link to the outside world beyond just supply drops.
The “earthquake” event at the beginning coincided with the planes arrival and crash which was at the same time Desmond let the counter run down originally, so the barrier must have come down briefly at that point, which means it’s down all the way now afte rthe bunker blew up. What does that mean for the Others and the island? Can Desmond’s old girlfriend find them a lot easier now?
I wonder from what Juliette said about it not being important who they were before, only who they are now, if the Others led by Benry are snatching people to break them down pshycologically, then build them back up as converts to add to the cause. Benry, Zeke and some of the other may be old enough to have been Dharma originals, but Ethan, the boy in the cage, Juliette and some of the other people can’t possibly have been there 20+ years already unless they were kids to begin with.
Overall it was an OK episode, but dissapointing for the premiere. Once again we have more questions and no answers to anything. Most of our questions from Season 1 and Season 2 will probably never be answered. Last night’s episode was like an analogy of how LOST treats it’s viewers. We’re all treated to some tasty bacon and eggs tidbits every so often, then presented with a complex puzzle of plot that just when we think we’ve got it figured out, rewards us with a fish biscuit.
Well put. It’s like the MMORPG of television shows, in that no matter how much you “progress,” there’s always something more, and you come to find out that all your effort was largely wasted. Sometimes I hate myself for watching, but no doubt I’ll continue to do so.
