For some reason, I can’t help but think of Darth Vadar. The guy does everything wrong, kills hundreds of people, but what do we get at the end of the movies? Not the out come of a terrible life, but instead, him deciding to sacrifice himself to take out the emperor. Just goes to show that not all you decision need have an impact on the ending.
Er…except that most of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi is about Luke trying to redeem his father. So, in fact, thematically, it’s exactly what the movies have been working towards.
Nesrie
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What Black Isis said. The Star Wars reference would work if the the ending at of VI showed up at the end of III, but it didn’t. It wasn’t Vader’s decisions that saved him really, it was Lukes. Luke’s choices mattered and his choices were not always in line with what the Jedi wanted.
Other games get a pass on this because they didn’t spend every interview telling players their choices mattered. What surprises me is Bioware is continuing to make this claim with the upcoming games.
Aaaaand here we go again:
I’m not sure what game you played, but my choices had a dramatic impact on what happened in Mass Effect 3. I’d call that “mattering”.
Unless, of course, you’re just reducing the entirety of Mass Effect 3 to the last fifteen minutes. In which case, can you link me to just one of the interviews you’re talking about? Since you claim they did this in “every” interview, it shouldn’t be too hard.
-Tom
Nesrie
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I’ve already brought up this quote, but if you want the link. here it is… again.
Link
Synthesis requires a fully completed Crucible, and if your war assets are too low then you don’t get that option. Also, no air con.
You can max out your war assets without picking up even one of the Crucible component war assets. That’s my big problem with it – the ending isn’t connected at all to the rest of the game except through some arbitrary mechanic. For a game where the narrative is supposed to be one of the biggest draws, that seems like a surprising oversight. If different endings were unlocked through different war assets, that would have been a step in the right direction. Maybe if you did enough of the right things, the Crucible ends up being nothing more than something that gets the Reapers to pause in the fighting and talk to you (“Stop! Why do you do this thing?”).
Seems to me the interviewer was asking about the finale of the game and Casey Husdon was talking about the conclusions of the various story arcs.
I can understand your confusion, but as I said before, it’s clear that Bioware intended that the choices pay off over the course of the game, not during the final fifteen minutes. So when you claim that “the player’s choices don’t matter”, your claim only holds up if you assert that Mass Effect 3 consists solely of a fifteen-minute conclusion. I find it curious that you want to ignore 99% of the game. That’s like saying Star Wars is a 90-minute sequence of some dudes getting medals.
And when you furthermore claim that Bioware asserted this in “every” interview, you’re flat-out incorrect. As I’m sure you know. Hyperbole doesn’t do you any favors when you’re tilting at hype windmills.
-Tom
Oke, fair enough, your sticky doesn’t say that, literally. I just think ‘Don’t be too much of a jerk. Think of the other people in a thread as if they were in the same room with you.’ comes pretty close though: if you would do that in the same room, the two of you would be outside having a go by now.
Point is: I read his posts as well as yours, and I know I don’t agree with him most of the time. No one says you can’t respond to that, and who knows, he might even actually be an idiot. But stating that over and over again, just for the sake of it like you are doing now…? Lets just say that isn’t how I hope this forum is going to be. And if yóu are doing it, how do you expect others to do better?
But hé: your forum, your show. I’ll refrain from moralistic preaching from now on…
No, I’m pretty sure he’d just be ignoring me and continuing to say idiotic things as if I weren’t in the room.
You’re picking an awfully odd case to champion. I could understand your concern if he were somehow contributing meaningfully to thread. But, dude, it’s Murbella.
-Tom
My concern doesn’t have anything to do with Murbella. I dont know the guy, will never meet him and tend to disagree with what he writes, so whatever. Anyway: if he doesn’t like it, he can speak up for himself. So no, I’m not speaking on his behalve.
I just don’t like what you’re doing there: using every opportunity, and even creating some yourself, to pick on him. It doesn’t help the discussion, which is bad enough as it is, in any way, so why keep doing it? Only thing you can eventually achieve that way, is that others on the forum will think it’s normal behavior and will go and do the same. Which, like I said, I’d rather not have.
In any schoolyard, what you are doing would be considered bullying. And even if the one getting bullied deserves it, you still shouldn’t, in my opinion. Just stick to your arguments, they are more then good enough, usually.
And now I’m going to stop, before everyone thinks I’m some Mother Theresa/holier then the pope kind of person who’s going to rush to the rescue at any sign of injustice. Don’t worry, I wont…
I think Tom got pissed when i said he probably didn’t like story based rpgs after he rolled out his “you thought you were making your own story but bioware got you in the end!” line for 20th time. That was when he stopped calling me an ender and started calling me an idiot.
I think he still believes in his heart that anyone who disagrees with him must have signed this petition though. While i don’t think there is anything wrong with signing a petition for anything (other than it is a waste of time because nobody reads them), I know that i haven’t and i’d bet many people here daring to have a different opinion on this game also haven’t.
Mass effect 3 is a very controversial game so i can expect some people to disagree with me if i say the ending was a huge letdown, seemed rushed when compared to the rest of the game and was an unsupported, random plot twist. I also think bioware did the right thing by trying to fix this.
I do think certain posters in this thread go well beyond just normal fans trying to defend a game they really liked though. The sort of backhanded compliments routinely thrown out by certain posters also reinforces my belief in this.
Anyway, I find little difference between being called an Ender or an idiot. Certain posters attacking everyone who disagrees with them in this thread isn’t new at all, which i guess just goes to show at the emotions Mass Effect is able to stir.
Sigh. Well, there you go proving I don’t agree with most of what you write, and you’re also explaining quite well why Tom calls you an idiot. Especially the bit about him attacking everyone who disagrees with him. You just keep saying that, even though it’s so obvious that he doesn’t? Do you even read what’s written in this thread? Yeezz…
Ok, Tom, fair enough: call him an idiot after posts like this. I just hope you don’t go looking for reasons to rub it in. He’s probably going to give them plenty himself…
And for the record: I’m still not taking sides in this whole discussion. I think it’s completely pointless because neither side is willing to give in even an inch, no matter what the arguments are. I’ll just go back to playing ME 3 now, because I still think it’s a very, véry good game. In that at least I agree with Tom: it’s a damn shame the entire game is now looked bad upon, just because of the last 15 minutes.
I’m responding to a post in which he says things that are, IMO, rather idiotic. Not creating posts which only have one purpose: to rub it in, nor planning on pounding on every post Murbella is going to write. Big difference to me. But feel free to see that differently.
Scuzz
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That is where your views differ from many others. Even though I liked the game and will replay it I do consider it a “significant failing”. I can’t see where it would have taken much effort to apply the players decisions to the final fifteen minutes.
It’s quite a failing. Remember when ME2 won gobs of GOTY awards? Remember when ME3 didn’t even appear on any lists? It should have. :(
davidf
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To bad these were not in the guidelines! This thread is full of violations to these commandments. :)
