Mass Effect 3

unbongwah · 2013-03-24T12:07:11.000Z

YO SPOILERS YO

Grifman:

On the other hand, despite what Bioware says they intended, the Codex makes clear that the destruction of the relays would cripple intergalactic travel. It describes in great detail the difficulties of using the FTL travel that exists to move very far very fast. It says that stars are generally found in clusters (as seen on the galactic map) with vast distances between them, that there is a lack of planets where drive build up could be discharged, and refueling would also be difficult. Bioware said that stranding the alien fleet at earth with no future contact between the species was not their intent but their own Codex contradicts that.

I actually think this is the most interesting element of ME3’s ending. Shepard has to cripple the galactic infrastructure by destroying the mass relays in order to stop the Reapers. So Shep saves the galaxy but has to plunge it into a kind of Dark Age to do so. Since so many RPGs are about protecting the status quo from Some Dark & Eeeevil Menace, it’s pretty cool to have an ending which radically shakes up the game-universe.

What a pity it’s handled in such an abrupt, shitty manner that not even Bioware seemed to be aware of its full implications…

RickH · 2013-03-25T08:57:24.000Z

@rei, really didn’t like that aspect of the story, either. Seems like an important and disturbing thing was almost glossed over. Especially when you were supposed to have been affected by what happened to Kelly earlier (assuming you didn’t force her to join your crew).

Black_Isis · 2013-03-25T16:14:09.000Z

RickH:

@rei, really didn’t like that aspect of the story, either. Seems like an important and disturbing thing was almost glossed over. Especially when you were supposed to have been affected by what happened to Kelly earlier (assuming you didn’t force her to join your crew).

Hrm…what happened to Kelly? I think I missed that part…

walTer · 2013-03-25T16:24:20.000Z

Black Isis:

Hrm…what happened to Kelly? I think I missed that part…

I chose poorly when it came to Kelly…sigh

rei · 2013-03-25T16:30:25.000Z

you tell her to change her identity so she survives the cerberus invasion of the citadel.

Black_Isis · 2013-03-25T16:31:44.000Z

rei:

you tell her to change her identity so she survives the cerberus invasion of the citadel.

I don’t think I even ran into her at all…where is she? I’ll have to look for her in my “final” playthrough once I get all the DLC.

rei · 2013-03-25T16:33:03.000Z

In the dock area. She saved your fish.

Black_Isis · 2013-03-25T16:47:00.000Z

rei:

In the dock area. She saved your fish.

I never bought the fish…dammit!

soondifferent · 2013-03-25T19:17:48.000Z

Black Isis:

I don’t think I even ran into her at all…where is she? I’ll have to look for her in my “final” playthrough once I get all the DLC.

Apparently you have to flirt with her to the point where you invite her to dinner in ME2, otherwise she won’t show up in ME3 at all. Which sucks, because the flirty choices with her were groan-worthy, and I’m a faithful guy, dammit.

I’ll chime in here that I really enjoyed Citadel. Second best DLC, after the Shadow Broker one.

rei · 2013-03-25T20:29:20.000Z

You can flirt it up all you want with her, and even have her dance in her gimp suit in your cabin without affecting love interest loyalty. Liara from ME1 kept on trucking for me as long as I didn’t sample the Traynor Treats.

Soma · 2013-03-25T20:36:26.000Z

That Traynor/She-pard shower scene is the most cringe-inducing scene in ME3. That is saying something, considering it is a game choke full of cringe-inducing moments.

Quaro · 2013-03-25T20:59:52.000Z

Soma:

That Traynor/She-pard shower scene is the most cringe-inducing scene in ME3. That is saying something, considering it is a game choke full of cringe-inducing moments.

rei · 2013-03-25T22:30:40.000Z

Oh, Mordin.

rei · 2013-03-25T22:40:30.000Z

Oh, supposedly there was a Joker + Wrex meetup in Citadel DLC I missed.

Spoilers

So I found this out after all the emails/map markers exhausted themselves, you just have to go back to the apartment and then show up at the bar to trigger Joker. Then you go back to apartment and leave, then go back to casino bar for the “wait for Wrex” to appear.

rei · 2013-03-25T23:03:11.000Z

I also checked “mail” on the datapad app and it’s the most inane thing ever. Email from the ingame characters.

strategy · 2013-03-26T15:47:12.000Z

walTer:

I chose poorly when it came to Kelly…sigh

One of those points where I really, really, really hate their paragon/renegade wheelie thing. “Keep doing good” or “Change your Identity” are not mutually exclusive choices, but by placing them as they do, they make it appear so - and furthermore make it seem as if you are being obnoxious to recommend she stay safe (which - given some of the results you get with renegade options - wouldn’t have surprised me). Grrr…

Doesn’t help that the way she allegedly goes is just idiotic.

Did I mention how much I hate their paragon/renegade wheelie thing?

Case · 2013-03-26T15:57:37.000Z

soondifferent:

Apparently you have to flirt with her to the point where you invite her to dinner in ME2, otherwise she won’t show up in ME3 at all. Which sucks, because the flirty choices with her were groan-worthy, and I’m a faithful guy, dammit.

I’ll chime in here that I really enjoyed Citadel. Second best DLC, after the Shadow Broker one.

I think Kelly shows up if you successfully rescue the crew from the Collector base; you don’t have to sleep with her.

rei · 2013-03-26T19:10:35.000Z

Well being a paragon doesn’t always lead to ‘good’ outcomes.

rei · 2013-03-26T23:06:09.000Z

Happy Ending Mod 0.30 http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files

Gets rid of fucking starkid.

strategy · 2013-03-27T02:19:55.000Z

rei:

Well being a paragon doesn’t always lead to ‘good’ outcomes.

I don’t mind that. I do hate the false dichotomies and choice descriptions that occasionally bear little connection to what is eventually said (a problem with both the paragon and renegade options). In this case, it doesn’t feel as if being a paragon led to a less good option (how is requesting her to be careful of her ID a renegade option?), it just feels as if the designer decided that they wanted to screw over the paragon route a bit.