Yeah, I’m playing on my phone and the conveyors are driving me batty.
I can’t imagine trying to play this on a phone.
It works fairly well with frequent use of the pause button, I’m finding. It’s clunky, to be sure, but it’s no worse than OpenTTD. My phone HATES big waves of mobs, though, so that’s probably going to drive me to the PC version sooner or later.
I got it on iOS and Steam. I much prefer the ship controls on iOS, which means you basically don’t worry about the ship. It moves to the center of where ever you move the screen and it auto-fires at enemies. But I much prefer building stuff on the PC. Building conveyers is tedious in both versions, but a little less so with a mouse.
It’s still free on the Play store, the $1 price is just on the App Store.
But I’m really struggling with the controls on a phone.
I think I’m going to have to uninstall this. It’s conveyor belts draw me in, but after playing for hours I’m completely unsatisfied. So I need to break the cycle and stop the draw-in.
Everything in the game takes to long and I seem to spend time waiting around, or fitzing back and forth between the front lines and the factory and not enough time being constructive. I also think the controls are a bit too fiddly. E.g. building a line of nodes is tedious. There’s no Creeper World 3 style click and drag.
I also don’t like the sense of progression compared to CW or Factorio. I keep unlocking more and more resources but I’m not entirely sure I need them. Copper ammo Duos seem to do the trick for ground units
I’m having a better time than you, apparently, but agree wholeheartedly that is needs CW3-style click and drag for power lines.
How far in are you? I’ve found it absolutely necessary to build power-based turrets (and hail turrets with graphite at least) if I expect to be able to hang through the later waves.
My biggest complaint with the mobile version (aside from the seconds per frame I get on big waves) is that there’s no timeskip option. By that I mean, when I’m in the launch window between every 10 waves, I’d really like to have the game calculate how many resources I’m going to gather over the 5ish minutes before the next wave and give them to me when I hit the launch button. As it stands now, I mostly end up just waiting those 5 minutes to eek out the last resources before running with 5 sec left. I’m sure that’s technically hard, but it would save a lot of dead time.
Edit: I do agree with @vinraith that I have to layer in various types of turrets as I get to higher waves. Maybe I’m just not very good at the tower defense side of things, though.
A fast forward button is really needed here. Basically, I really like the game, but it needs a few QoL touches. Considering that they’ve got a long-term development roadmap I’m hopeful that some of this stuff will be forthcoming.
I’m only 4 or so maps in, but I got to wave 60 with just Duos, Arcs and anti-air guns on the desert map. I stopped mostly because I was bored waiting at that point :P
Maybe that’s too early to tell, but I desperately need a fast-forward button and so can’t be bothered to stick around for me :)
(Also, on the face of it, I don’t feel that it’s a hard problem to solve: all generation is in terms of X/second. Just give me a ballpark figure and I’ll probably accept it, even at 20% loss due to poor calculations!)
I think it’s just a single developer. Biggest QoL upgrade for me would be: don’t require a modifier key to zoom with the mousewheel. Also, the resource shading on the minimap needs to be clearer. And water should show up as a tooltip when I hover my mouse over it.
The desert map is deliberately scarce of resources. There’s nothing else you can build there. Later maps have tougher enemies that will easily chew through your walls before an array of copper-firing duos can take them out. The progression in the game is pretty well-tuned.
You can skip to the next wave at any time. It’s often really not worth waiting around to gather another 1k of copper.
Thanks @tomchick, your podcast convinced me I want this game :-)
Yeah, I just don’t get that. I mean, when you’re placing a tile, mouse wheel is rotate. When you’re not placing a tile, it should just be zoom.
FWIW, the desert map is (in my experience) kind of singular that way, partly (as Matt rightly points out) because of the resource scarcity. The turrets you mention are virtually the only ones its possible to build/fuel/power on that map. Basically, get your silicon, get past wave 60 for the unlocks, and move on. Things get a lot more interesting very quickly after that, I found. Stained Mountains is kind of kicking my ass.
Stained Mountains was significantly harder than the desert for me too. It also introduces mechanics that I hadn’t seen before. Conveyors BURN?!? and it SPREADS??!?
I fled after 30 waves with my defense array in tatters. Pretty sure I wasn’t going to make it further that run.
I finally had a chance to dive into this over the weekend, and it definitely scratches that Factorio-light itch. I just got past the desert, and I suspect I’ll need to start applying proper tower-defense tactics instead of just relying entirely on the standard walled-chokepoint setup. I mean, it’s still pretty effective if set up correctly, but I suspect I’ll want more control over enemy pathing as the difficulty increases.
5.0 released! Some major QoL upgrades including improved placement, automatic rebuild, and an awesome looking schematic tool:
FINE. I’ll give it another go!
You didn’t have to release 5.0 just to convince me, however.
Not sure I like the new circular tech tree. I think I preferred the old linear one. But I’m still having fun with this game. Just beat the Fungal Pass (ironically, without gathering any fungus.) But now, I’m low on silicon and can’t pay the launch fee for any of the end-game campaign scenarios/ Time to head back to the Tar Fields to gather resources.
I kind of feel like the campaign is a wasted opportunity. The levels don’t, for the most part, provide the kind of puzzle challenge that would be interesting: bootstrap into production with very limited resources or whatever. That said, I really enjoy playing this.
I’m not a fan of the circular tech tree–it needs to have an indicator of which sections of the tree contain which sorts of upgrades.
I do wish that the game took a page from other Tower Defense games and gave you some idea of what to expect in the next wave.
I’ve gone through all of the campaign content, and the bosses aren’t fun to deal with. This includes during base-attack missions (because enemies spawn instead of being “constructed” as you might expect). Dealing with the boss(es) is unlike the other of the attacking waves; the top-tier turrets can compete, but turrets are stationary and expensive. I can sort of harden my infrastructure, but that has its limitations.
Anyhow, game is fun, and there’s a risk-reward tradeoff, but the bosses serve as a timer and they’re often a bit of a surprise.