1741

If ME2 appeals to 26-30 year olds and Minecraft appeals to 16-20 year olds, that’s “trends more juvenile” and still irrelevant to the discussion. It’s a silly question and a silly comparison.

Find me some evidence (beyond a poll on the forums that says a lot of 12-17 year olds) that Minecraft is mostly 12-13 year olds and I’ll change my argument. Until then, all the available evidence suggests otherwise. Until then, I’m done!

1742

Your logic if flawed.

“I love my wife”
“I love my children’s”
This 2 statements are compatible. You can love your wife, and your childrens.

“I ONLY love my wife” != “I love my wife”.

You are reading “I ONLY love my wife”, and I have written something like “I love my wife”.

Your childrens can love Minecraft, and your wife can love Minecraft.
If your childrens are 14 years old, is fair to say “14 years old love minecraft”, if your wife is 34 years old, is fair to say “34 years old love minecraft”.

I just have said “Seems 14 years old like minecraft”. I think is a understatement.

1743

Bullshit, Tei. You said it attracts a very juvenile public - 12 to 13 year olds. That’s pretty specific. In the context of your post, where you compared it to the Garry’s Mod community, you were claiming that that was a large amount of Minecrafters.

Otherwise it’s a meaningless statement. “Minecraft attracts a few kids!”. So does every game. You were only making that statement to suggest that it attracts a disproportionate amount.

1744

whatever. when are they gonna make a minecraft with graphics like just cause 2? imagine the possibilities (and vistas!).

1745

JM, you have dragged me to a useless flame war. And I hate you for that.

Do you know the worst thing?, our discussion is absolutely boring for everyone. I hate to make a boring contribution to a forum. Like I did here. I make me wish to delete all my comments in this thread.

1746

I think he made that statement as a theory to explain immature behaviour by commenters on Notch’s blog.

Edit: (Also: yes. This thread is not much fun to lurk in since this argument started)

1747

Most people just ignore what you write, Tei. I try and hold you to your words. So, if you’re telling me that what you wrote isn’t what you intended, fine. After all, I was disagreeing with what you wrote - no point disagreeing if it’s not the point you’re making.

And our discussion is not as boring as “Minecraft with Just Cause 2 graphics!”. That’s some quality stuff there.

1748

Game is computer crack. I can’t stop playing.

1749

Parent: “Answer me! Who taught you how to use this stuff?”
12-13 year old: “You, alright! I learned it by watching YOU!”

1750

Isn’t the irony that only 30+ year olds will get that joke?

1751

Heh, Youtube to the rescue:

1752

All we can really say is that the Minecraft forums appeal to juveniles. It didn’t start out that way, it used to be only adults but as minecraft has become more popular, more and more kids started posting. I actually used to post there, but having to deal with kids on the internet gets annoying fast.

It really isn’t any different to any other official forum. Most adults have already established themselves at another community, so have no need to join; like here for example.

1753

If you haven’t already seen it, here is somebody accidentally* burning down their house in Minecraft:

The shit hits the fan 60 seconds into the vid. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I first watched it.

*if they faked it, it still looked really awesome.

1754

Wow, what a dick!

Uh, to be on topic… Crazy to see how big a splash this game has made. Just goes to show studio executives have no idea what people want to buy.

1755

It’s apparently a house they built together with a friend. I think I would be quite sad if I did this. :(

1756

I wonder if at that point you can still salvage it by forcibly terminating the Minecraft process, or if it’s already committed the destruction back to disk…

1757

Going by the results of the three or so crashes of the qt3 multiplayer server, the time until changed data is written to disk varies randomly per chunk between 1 minute and 12 hours.

1758

Really awesome.

1759

Erik, Tei does this a lot. He’ll brain-spasm his latest thoughts onto a page regardless of whether they make any sense or not. It’d be fine if he could actually coherently argue the case but he can’t. In this case, he first tried to defend his position by pointing to a poll that didn’t back him up, and now he’s saying that wasn’t his position in the first place.

Post nonsense and people will pick you up on it. Post nonsense that you don’t really believe and try and weasel out of it, and you’ll get a reputation…

1760

I’ve been noticing Minecraft out of the corner of my eye for a couple of months. My brother started playing it and immediately began raving about how it’s maybe the best game he’s ever played, so I gave it a whirl last night, Alpha mode.

I get the exploration appeal, and have just scratched the surface of the crafting engine. All quite nice. It still feels more sandbox than game, though. I have never seen a zombie, just heard them groaning, but as far as I can tell it’s not very hard to avoid them by hiding in holes in the ground. For the rest of it, is it just the sandboxy “urge to create” that makes one dig elaborate underground fortresses? I felt a certain gameplay “pull” in the quest for coal, and a nice reward-endorphine-rush when I was able to make my first torches and light my way underground. But what followed was a lot of rather aimless digging, with the vague idea that Thar is Gold Down Thar, or some other ore I haven’t seen yet, rather than any pressing gameplay reason to go beyond the status quo.

If the zombie/survival stuff is relatively minor and it’s more about Hey, Look What I Can Build!, then I certainly have no particular criticism of that, but it might not trigger my particular internal-mental-gameplay-reward-punishment-cascade and make me keep playing it.

Is there some ratcheting up of the survival element, e.g. larger hordes of enemies on successive nights that require ever more elaborate fortifications?