Mulholland Drive

So, you’ll extrapolate what Lynch is trying to say about acting from the singer’s bit and then somehow claim that the audition scene is Lynch (apparently unknowingly) contradicting himself? How about giving him the credit of writing and directing THAT scene, too?

Club Silencio took place within Diane’s fantasy. It was the moment when truth came knocking. Just because actors can do more than replicate reality doesn’t mean they’re not accountable to reality. And moreso than actors, desperate and delusional people like Diane have to acknowledge the truth sometime. Could you propose a change to Mulholland Drive which would reconcile the dreamer/actor analogy according to your paradigm?

No… that’s just the focal point of the movie… its a good illustration.

The whole point to the movie is that Diane creates an illusory reality that she wishes were real. The whole movie is about an attempt to be real. My claim is that Diane’s understanding of acting (that it is an attempt to be real) creates her actions in the film… that she undertakes the actions she does precisely out of her agreement with Lynch. If Diane agreed with me this movie simply would not have been made, since Diane would not have undergone anything close to this kind of illusory reality.

Lynch understands the audition scene as Diane’s idealized acting performance. But does Lynch understand my interpretation of the audition scene or does he, like the Club Silencio scene, see it as merely a GOOD illusion? Taking the WHOLE context of this movie, the likely situation is the latter. If you assume Lynch appreciates the audition scene in the same way I do, the scene makes little sense… it becomes anachronistic.

I absolutely do… I just deny him the credit of understanding it. The creator of art is seperate from the appreciator of it.

That’s not an issue. It is inevitable (given realism) that a house of cards will come crashing down. My point is, the whole reason Diane creates the house of cards in the first place is that she agrees with Lynch.

Think about the movie. What does Diane lack? She’s vain, vindictive, manipulative, amazingly self-serving. In her fantasy Rita is her slave. Is this an example of a human being for whom acting is creating greater reality? Is she obsessed with Rita because she sees her as being more real than herself? Even while Rita is her slave everything she does is “for” Rita. But never due to Rita’s wishes… Rita is mute. Diane MUST help Rita… not for Rita but for Diane. Diane through Rita wants to become what she sees Rita as already being… real. Its identical to a fan of a celebrity wanting to touch the celebrity… maybe some of “it” will rub off.

Diane is incredibly desperate. What she wants is what Rita has. In the audition scene her understanding is that there she has what Rita has. But… that’s where she’s wrong. Her performance is on her own terms.

What Diane is never ever able to see due to her constant focus on “the real” is… herself. And this focus, this utter void of self-knowledge, is due to her understanding of acting as “becoming the real”.

In order to create greater reality through acting your constant focus has to be ON reality. And you have to be cold enough and analytical enough to look at what you are doing and judge that. Lets just say Diane failed this aspect of my understanding of acting miserably ;).

An actor has to find something in a performance that is stellar. Lets take a few examples…

Jim Carrey - the guy like most great comics is an emotional wreck. Carrey projects a sort of neurotic anti-socialism precisely because he has developed that personality. So any role in which this is necessary is his cup of tea. Its the director’s job to enable this performance to “create a greater reality” by placing it within a context that accentuates the role.

John Wayne - probably the most obvious example of an actor who consistently played himself. Lovers of Method Actors (see below) HATE John Wayne for precisely this reason. John Wayne is the complete opposite of a Method Actor. John Wayne gave “good” performances because audiences liked to see John Wayne.

Method Actors - These guys are sacrifices. Unlike most actors who get to draw from their own personality these guys have no strong personality… they are highly distributed. Method Actors as they age get extremely worn down… its poisonous to undergo this process. Method Actors impress not by their great acting but rather by their ability to be good in very different roles. And since they are good in very different roles they can play pretty much any part.

John Wayne was a fag. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress.

John Wayne was a fag. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress.

“Hell, that doesn’t mean he was a homo, Miller. Lot’s of guys like to watch their buddies fuck. I know I do.”

 -Tom

O Brian, Where Art Thou?

I’d like to point out that Mulholland Drive WASN’T a movie.

It was a failed TV series stitched together.

That’s right, he tried to make another creepy, weird TV show that’s so vague people will see in it whatever they WANT to see, and call it brilliant. It’s ‘Rorschach Test’ TV. It’s brilliant cause it’s anything you want it to be.

You know why the movie was disjointed and weird? He had to cut parts of the show to make room for the boobies. You know why the ending is vague? It’s not really the ending, it’s just the season finale. If it got renewed, the ending would have been resolved.

You know what the Rorschach Test reveals about you people that think this movie is ‘brilliant’? You all think you are smarter than everyone else, you all think yourselves unusually perceptive, and you’re all gullible.
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Mate.

Here goes Captain Cookiecunt with his anti-intellectual rants again. Do us all a favor and take your ritalin, Baby Jane.

Here goes Captain Cookiecunt with his anti-intellectual rants again. Do us all a favor and take your ritalin, Baby Jane.[/quote]

Hmmmm…a stupid-ass ‘I added ‘cunt’ to your name! I ownz j00’ joke and a Ritalin joke from someone claiming that I am ‘anti-intellectual’? What’s your encore, Viagra jokes with a Carrot-Top-reference chaser?

Edit: I also see you’re continuing your ‘my imaginary rank is higher than YOUR imaginary rank’ rampage. Good for you!!

No support of any anti-John Wayne rants here but, well, his real name was Marion.

Aw, I just wanted to make sure you understood the jokes. If I had chosen more highbrow references you might have accused me of being pretentious or thinking I was smart. That would have hurt mah widdle feelings, biscuit boy!

Aw, I just wanted to make sure you understood the jokes. If I had chosen more highbrow references you might have accused me of being pretentious or thinking I was smart. That would have hurt mah widdle feelings, biscuit boy![/quote]

If you wanted to give up, you could have just not posted. Keep that in mind next time, (insert stupid nonsense alliterative psuedo-insult here)!

Insert joke here?

You’re cracking, gentle munchkin.

Fuck a John Wayne! Just tell us who did it!

Fuck a John Wayne! Just tell us who did it!

Nice work, Dulin! Although I believe the actual quote is ‘Fuck a John Wayne! Tell us his name, pussy!’.

I’m guessing anyone who can do this has to be exactly 33 to 37 years old. I wonder how – or even if! – Repo Man holds up.

 -Tom

I’ll give my virgin eyes a go at it.
http://users.erols.com/bobcan/repo/script.html

Repo Man is a great movie. I always wanted a shirt that said BEER.

I agree with the fact that to best understand Mulholland Drive, you have to know a little bit about its history as a TV series. However, the Captain here shows that he’s a little misinformed.

Most of the first half-or-so of the film was indeed from a series pilot that never aired. The eventual plot of the series is not at all the same as the film – Lynch reimagined the story based on the footage he had. In that respect, it’s an interesting filmic exercise, although maybe also a good way to ruin a movie.

As far as I know, there was no season finale shot, so CCP is wrong on that count. I’m pretty sure nearly every frame beyond the middle transition point was shot for the film only.

Sure, Lynch ended up with a disjointed film in some respects. The photography style changes, there’s sudden nudity and sex, it gets creepier and grittier, etc. But as a resident Lynch-apologist, I think he was smart in how he reused his old footage. It becomes a story about two versions of reality. The differences in style and content between the two halves are a critical element of the story.

I actually think MD is a good illustration of how thoughtful and non-random Lynch’s filmmaking decisions are. He thought carefully about the footage he had for the series and how to make it into a new self-contained movie.

Surprisingly well. I watched it a few months ago, and it was still pretty funny. Unlike Straight to Hell, which doesn’t hold up at all (if it ever did). Poor Alex Cox, after Sid & Nancy, it was a quick trip downhill.

Correct, Chris–Mulholland Drive was primarily a pilot for a potential show, with the rest of the footage being shot solely for the movie. And HONESTLY people… if you think this movie doesn’t make any sense, then you just don’t get it. Aside from one or two scenes, everything has a place in the film, and makes sense.

And John Wayne was not gay! He was the ultimate badass. At the time. Now, he’d just be a worn-out drunk that kept getting his ass kicked at high-class hollywood parties.

Arise most moribund of threads!

The guy who did that epic four hour-long YouTube exegesis of Twin Peaks recently did one for this, one of my all-time fave movies. I don’t know if I buy into all of his analysis in the hour long video but a lot of what he says makes sense.