Yeah, one of my favorites. Kind of bummed I wasnât able to go see it on the big screen in the theaters last weekend - it was the TCM movie revival.
And? Whatâs your point? McCarthyism was dumb. How does any of that tie into modern Americans not coddling Nazis?
No. McCarthyism was evil.
What it has to do with the discussion is that the way to change a Nazi is through love, not hate, using MLK Jrâs life and beliefs as an example. Especially if that Nazi is (was) a friend.
Or at least, thatâs the point Iâm trying to argue.
Oh man. For a second, I thought there was going to be a point to this, but you drove right off a cliff again. Whew!
So you think cutting off a friend, which in all likelihood would drive them even further into the arms of the nazis is the way to bring about the goal of less nazis in the world?
From the original article which started this fascinating discussion, one of the click-throughs::
Daryl Davis is a blues musician, but he also has what some might call an interesting hobby. For the past 30 years, Davis, a black man, has spent time befriending members of the Ku Klux Klan.
He says once the friendship blossoms, the Klansmen realize that their hate may be misguided. Since Davis started talking with these members, he says 200 Klansmen have given up their robes. When that happens, Davis collects the robes and keeps them in his home as a reminder of the dent he has made in racism by simply sitting down and having dinner with peopleâŚ
âŚThat began to chip away at their ideology because when two enemies are talking, theyâre not fighting. Itâs when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. If you spend five minutes with your worst enemy â it doesnât have to be about race, it could be about anythingâŚyou will find that you both have something in common. As you build upon those commonalities, youâre forming a relationship and as you build about that relationship, youâre forming a friendship. Thatâs what would happen. I didnât convert anybody. They saw the light and converted themselves.
Look, the friend in this case isnât just flirting with neo-Nazism, he has a swasttika tattoo and helps run a neo-Nazi website, thereâs no further for them to go at this point.
LOLOL
I canât reject a friendship! Who am I to judge?
I think we draw lines which are greater than the individual, and if you cross them, you are ostracized and society is not responsible for your redemption. This is both a deterrent and a statement of our values at large. So semiotics is important here; in your example, Daryl Davis befriended Klansman; it was outreach. To be a friend suggests an acceptance despite of certain flaws.
I donât know enough about Quinn Norton to say that she wasnât doing the same thing as Davis, but she was sloppy with her words at a time when the other side is actively trying the blur the line.
Excellent points.
So yeah,
Oh Fox News, where is your outrage over this!
What on Earth would Nazis do if they didnât have any friends because they were being rejected for being steaming piles of shit. Wonât anyone think of the Nazis!?
Hereâs the thing; Daryl Davis is a better man than me. Besides making great music, heâs made it his mission to collect KKK uniforms from white supremacists that he turns through patience, logic, and bonhomie. Heâs been doing it a long time, and each victory takes a long time as well.
If you watch the documentary about him, (I have) or read his book (I havenât) he admits that more often than not, his approach doesnât work. He may go into a Klan meeting and talk to 20 members, take a shit-ton of flack, get dismissed as a crazy man by most, and maybe walk out with an appointment to talk again to one person, which may go nowhere. Even then, Davis says some folks just plain do not want to change. He works on them, but they persist. Additionally, itâs risky. Heâs been threatened and physically assaulted.
I hope Daryl Davis continues doing what he does, but Iâm not wasting any time on these people. I enjoy not being around white supremacists. I donât give a shit about their ideology and I have no interest in listening to their half-assed rants. I donât care to cultivate a bunch of former-KKK friends. I donât want to display seized or donated KKK memorabilia in a KKK museum (something Davis aspires to do). I definitely donât want to be the godfather to someoneâs child who, despite his outward friendliness and tearful testimonials of being a changed man, may still secretly think Iâm a lesser creature.
Frankly, itâs not my bag, man. I reserve my charity for people I want to help, and I donât really want to help white supremacists or Nazis.
More germane to this discussion, I donât believe Quinn Norton has the skills, attitude, or honesty to turn her good buddy Andrew Auernheimer from his cushy Daily Stormer gig. In fact, I donât even believe her when she says she will âlovingly confront them for as long as it takesâ and doesnât âsupport what my terrible friend believes or does.â
Quinn Norton is no Daryl Davis.
She says she wrote this kind of garbage because she was just playing along with her investigative subjects, but Iâm going to call BS on that. She reveled in this stuff and her good buddy âweevâ was part of it.
#Bothsides
How are they going to understand if you donât call them words I wonât even type?
She was a crypto-racist, now sheâs just a racist.
