Everybody now salutes the nazi way, even my cat!
You think Neo Nazis and white supremacy starts⌠how?
It might be an over-reaction but I think over-reactions are needed for crap like this. Much better than the opposite. Itâs not just the usual drummed-up outrage.
This makes sense to me as well. Shouldnât trivialize the most infamous hate group in the history of the world.
I tend to think that Nazism merits immediate, harsh reprisal.
I donât accept the defense of, âit was just a jokeâ, because that provides cover for people who legitimately want to normalize these abhorrent views. It lets people push the envelope further and further, and when they finally get resistance, they say, ârelax guy, i was just kidding!â
But then after a little while, they push again. And they get a little further, because itâs been further normalized.
So, no.
You act like a Nazi, you get treated like a Nazi. I donât care if you are joking. There is no legitimate reason to be lenient in this case.
Other than they were 16-17 year old kids.
So was the kid that they think they tricked. So was the kid that stood there uncomfortably while his classmates spread hate. Any thought for those kids⌠at all. Any consideration for those kids?
Sorry, not a good enough reason for me.
Best they learn their lesson now, and serve as an example to other kids.
Theyâre the right age to get an education in how the majority of the world reacts to those who emulate genocidal evil scum.
I am about to be not at all serious, because I wouldnât expect a kid to do this sort of thing, but here goes.
This photo was taken over a year ago, the kids that were uncomfortable with the photo did not come forward and denouce it directly until now? Couldnât they have done more than sit by while this âhateâ was on display?
What was that famous phrase?
https://twitter.com/fMRI_guy/status/963613417662746624
So wouldnât those kids be just as complicit?
The context of their past behavior matters here. In the responses to the initial tweet, many of their classmates reported a history of racism on the part of many in that photo including racist snaps that were posted in the thread as evidence and stories of a school administrator who dismisses complaints against them and tells the offended to grow a thicker skin.
One of the things that someone reported was hat some of these kids were taunting minorities after Trump was elected. My daughter saw this same behavior in her school and the administration took action in the form of a school wide meeting to discuss tolerance and make it clear that intolerance has no place in the school environment.
That sounds real bad. And I hope it is addressed.
Right now, the community isnât very happy with the school, because they havenât released any more details about their investigation.
I just read this
Several minutes into intermission during a musical about Jewish traditions, a man stood up, raised his arm in a Nazi salute and started to shout.
Members of the audience said the man called out âHeil Hitler!â and âHeil Trump!â at the Wednesday-night performance of âFiddler on the Roofâ at Hippodrome Theatre in Baltimore.
âPeople started running,â Rich Scherr, who was in the audience, told The Washington Post. âThe next thing I expected to hear was gunshots, frankly.â
I mean, that would be my first reaction too.
Have we ruled out him trying to trick his friends into looking at him so he can punch them?
Donât victim-blame kids who have no choice who they get thrown in with at school. Theyâre legally required to be in school, for chrissakesâŚtheyâre not legally required to be superheroes willing to stand up to a school full of racist bullies.
I am not blaming them for anything, but where do we draw the line in this case? Also, are those kids victims?
Are the 30% of the kids in that photo waving with bent arms victims?
If the are old enough to be called neo-nazis surely they are old enough to speak out about something like this before a year and a half passes, and bad press begins?
This whole situation seems a lot less black and white than people are making it out to be.
Do they deserve death threats?
https://www.channel3000.com/news/crime/baraboo-police-investigate-threats-against-residents-related-to-controversial-prom-photo/866433811
Yep.
Let them feel what is like to have their lives threatened. That kind of thing makes it real clear why Nazism is bad.
When those who terrorize others are terrorized, itâs called justice.
Iâm with Rorshach on this. Zero fucking tolerance for Nazism. Zero. I donât care if youâre trolling â thatâs like saying you only produce child porn as a joke.
Yeah, ok, sure, I guess we are on a different planet on this one.
You literally are. You took a bad moment, defended the kids who created it and then blamed the two kids for not doing enough. How about you put responsibility on the people who actually acted and behaved inappropriately, for a change.
Why is this my job? I, and I suspect most people, have no clue as to what the context of the photo is, other than it looks bad. There are clearly a good amount of kids waving in that photo, it really looks like some sort of really bad photo pose caught in time.
I read this book over the summer, and I recommend it. It has really changed the way I react to a lot of online incidents with strong reactions. I used to love a good public shaming, but in a lot of cases there is a lot more to things than we intitially know about.
https://www.amazon.com/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594634017
One particular interesting chapter was about Max Mosley (who isnât a great guy, to be sure) being accused of having Nazi orgies, after a very badly reported piece came out in a âNews of the Worldâ expose that garnered strong immediate reactions from the public, to only have the piece slowly picked away as more facts came to light, it it became clear that it was a regular BDSM style setting, and the âNaziâ imagery was played up due to Maxâs dadâs past. (Look up Oswald Mosley) There was a lot of questionable journalism (The paper was shut down not too much after, for phone tapping) He eventually won a case against the paper.
I am not saying 16-17 year old kids shouldnât be subject to some sort of repercussions for jokingly throwing up Nazi salutes during a rowdy photo shoot, I certainly donât think that they, or anyone deserves death threats based on a poorly explained compromising photo. We donât know the full story, and it could be a lot less bad than it looks, or it could be just as bad as it looks (and those kids should be suspended or expelled) but right now, at this moment, we donât know.
And seriously, nobody deserves a death threat over something like this. Imagine if you are a parent, and werenât present for this photoshoot and someone calls your home phone and says they want to murder you. That is just as fucked up as the photo, to me.