Roberts, tweets 16 and 17:
Like, in the early 2000s, when coal was dominant, coal lobby groups would constantly throw around “free market” language in order to fight off any regulations or taxes that might restrain them. But now that coal is losing in the market? That language has vanished …
17. … to be replaced with language about how coal deserves special consideration, subsidies and favors, because of heartland-something-something jobs-something-something America-something-something. Where’d the laissez-faire go fellas?
This is explicitly about the powerful coal industry using the government to enhance their power, first by preventing regulation, the later by demanding incentives.
ShivaX
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Boogaloo is a term that is basically without meaning imo and even in the opinions of many people who claim it.
Boogaloo can mean: White Nationalist, Libertarian, Anti-fascist, or any other random thing. The only unifying thing is willingness to use violence at the end of the day to achieve their goal. For some that means shooting cops randomly. For some that means shooting black people randomly. For some that means shooting cops who violate the rights of people and no one else.
It’s just a useless term at this point. It basically comes down to “people who want a radical change through any means” without citing what sort of radical change they’re in favor of.
RichVR
6349
I’ve never heard it that context. Cite please?
Breaking 2, Electric thereof
ShivaX
6351
We’ve seen self-proclaimed “Boogaloos” marching with BLM in places.
Again, it’s the problem with a leaderless movement with little to no organization.
Because people like this also claim the name Boogaloo:
As do people like this:
It’s like Antifa. It’s a term people adopt, but they’re all over the map on what they believe.
Some Antifa are Communists. Some are socialists. Many are anarchists. Some just hate the police state.
They all claim Antifa as a name.
Antifa means actively anti-fascist. Winston fucking Churchill was antifa.
ShivaX
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Sure, but that doesn’t mean they have some unifying ideology beyond that.
Hell, a lot of them have conflicting ideologies (Communism and anarchism don’t get along too well).
I’m just saying both terms aren’t very useful because they’re leaderless titles that any random person can take up and be as valid as any other person who does so.
Now that said, I personally think most Boogaloo Bois are of the White Nationalist/Race War variety.
The uniting factor for them is being anti-government for the most part, but what they want for an End Game varies wildly.
re: schurem
Sure, but absent an official organization, any yahoo like Tim McVeigh who thinks the govt is fascist and is willing to bomb them could say he is antifa as well.
Which is my point. Antifa is not an ideology. Flying that flag, you’re not for something, you’re against something. Churchill and uncle Joe both. And the anarcho-syndicalists of Seville too.
Menzo
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This comic isn’t technically true, since holding a Nazi flag is definitely protected speech in the Constitution, but it does make me feel better about other people punching Nazis.
At the very least, those that are open about being a Nazi.
Everything else is up for serious debate, because, you know, reasons.
Not saying that there aren’t people that I want to punch because I think they might be, but I would have to consider the implications. People that call themselves Nazis, that’s easy. No real thought is necessary.
AWS260
6360
As long as you’re not a public official or acting on behalf of the government, punching a Nazi for espousing Nazi bullcrap in no way violates the Constitution.
This illustrates one of my huge issues with Libertarianism - the thread touches on externalities earlier, but when I talk to a libertarian friend, he says that Judges will be the deciders here.
However, when it is cheaper to buy judges than it is to address the externalities, the model goes out the window. Libertarians always assume that Power won’t/can’t be exercised to curtail liberties to gain more Power and tilt the freedoms ever further.
Timex
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Just wanted to point out, since I didn’t see the original reply to my post until now, that those tweets 16 and 17 pretty explicitly aren’t talking about what I was.
The tweets about the coal industry talk about how they supported laissez-faire while they were powerful, and then only wanted government regulation once they were LOSING in the market.
This is simply highlighting the hypocrisy of those actors. That’s different than what I was talking about, which is where a large corporation who is currently dominant, uses regulation to oppress its competition.
It’s not simply hypocrisy like Roberts talks about with the coal industry. It’s actually a dominant industrial force using the government to help perpetuate its dominance, because its harder for smaller competitors to meet those regulatory requirements.
Roberts suggests that the powerful will support a reduction of regulation, and the weak will support regulation, and that a group will shift positions as they lose power. But this is not the only thing that happens. Regulation can be used by the powerful, to solidify their existing power, not simply revert to a previous time when they were powerful (as is the case with coal).
Losing share doesn’t mean they aren’t still powerful. They’re using their power to bend government into bailing them out.
I really much prefer Roberts’ summary if his views to your summary of his views.
Posobiec produced a segment for OANN in September 2018 in which he interviewed “Microchip,” who was at that time a pseudonymous contributor to the white-supremacist-friendly website Gab.
“I wish [Atomwaffen Division] had survived. They did great work in scaring the living shit out of everyone,” the person behind the Microchip Gab account wrote on July 24, 2018, across two posts. “We need more hatred and fear. Everyone needs to stop being such fucking pussies.”
Whether “Microchip” is an obvious (extreme) troll or not, as we saw with Q, other people will buy into it.
Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.
I think he stumbled on a new 2020 GOP campaign slogan!
