Right, but it isn’t that stuff which raises any questions. That makes sense enough.
Which works well enough for me - I just wasn’t sure if that had been confirmed or not.
It would be super awesome if certain items had special effects as well, though I can’t really think of any good examples off-hand.
But the movies . . . you mean they’ve been lying to me?
Sarkus
3064
It’s not unprecedented. In fact, if anything the quick emergence in the Fallout universe of the NCR in less than 200 years on the west coast is more unlikely, at least based on the standards of post-apoc fiction.
According to anthropologists and archaeology, it takes dense populations to lead to civilization. Depending on populations and overall conditions, survivors might find that most knowledge would disappear as their generation died off. History has plenty of examples of civilizations that rose relatively high and then fell, the survivors reverting to hunter/gatherer groups with little or no knowledge of their past despite ruins all around. The excellent post-apoc novel “Earth Abides” does a great job of explaining how that would happen.
This sounds like the basis for a pretty kickass Civ expansion.
That’s what sparked the war. There’s little to no oil left. The Enclave seems to have oil (hence their Vertibirds) but they have very poor regard for all the survivors and want to commit genocide on everyone who isn’t them.
Zylon
3067
But they weren’t, really. At worst they were bombed back to Mad Max. Seems like all it would take is a brief era of walled cities (a la Vault City) to get civilization up and running again. There’s certainly no shortage of leftover pre-war tech to help things along.
The only plausible explanation I can think of is some force or forces actively working to disrupt reconstruction.
It’s hard to have reconstruction when you have raiders and bandits who are perfectly happy with the current status of things who know they’d lose their position of power in the post-apocalyptic world if things became civilized again.
There’s also paramilitaries like the Enclave that are hellbent on wiping the rest of mankind out to pave the way for a new civilization. That kind of puts a dent in any fledgling society that’s wanting to rebuild things.
Yea, if a system develops that actively discourages widespread progression but is self-sufficient and works well enough that people can stay alive, then progress outside of individual factions could be postponed for a considerable time. Especially since most factions are only interested in progress that helps them become more powerful, will jealously guard that, and won’t research technology that truly helps society grow.
I’m wondering if you’ll be able to actually join The Enclave but I kinda doubt it barring infiltration like in 2. Their whole genocide angle probably doesn’t work with whatever story Bethesda cooked up for the PC, looking for daddy…<-- who’s gonna be the foozle?
I do hope the Brotherhood of Steel are the same xenophobic jackasses that don’t hesitate about sending outsiders on boondoggles to fatal radiation zones. They were pretty disappointing in 2…
Lastly I wonder if they will mess around with the Vaults being human social experiments. If Vault 101 has a gimmick associated with it, like Vault 69, or the Necropolis Vault that was designed to open too early turning everyone to ghouls.
Squee
3072
That was supposedly partly what sparked the war. The oil platform in Fallout 2 was one of the last sources of oil, and the US refused to share. I guess you could imagine they were shipping oil to any east-coast Enclave still active.
I vaguely remember hearing that from a holodisc or one of the computers somewhere in Fallout 2.
Sarkus
3073
I personally hope they ignore this part of the story. I never liked it, even if it is supposed to give the whole thing a “Dr. Strangelove”/Conspiracy Theory vibe. I was looking at the Fallout Bible that Avellone put together the other day and even he admitted that he had no idea where or why that concept came from. It was apparently something that Tim Cain came up with that they went with even though Cain never described his thinking on it.
I think it definitely came from Tim Cain if I’m remembering past interviews right. He wanted to build it up more. They could totally ignore it as it was pretty obscure back story to begin with. I’m not actually sure any info on it made it into the games.
Sarkus
3075
The partial list of vault experiments was available at the Enclave in some holo-disk at the end of Fallout 2, and I think the president guy made some comments about it as well.
I don’t know, it’s just one of those things that for me pushed the absurdity meter just a bit too far.
Grifman
3076
Uh, yes, some of them most certainly were. Hence all the tribals.
At worst they were bombed back to Mad Max.
That’s not much better. That’s merely living off the scraps of the former civilization without understanding it.
Seems like all it would take is a brief era of walled cities (a la Vault City) to get civilization up and running again. There’s certainly no shortage of leftover pre-war tech to help things along.
Who understands that stuff? In one generation, most of that knowledge will be lost as most of your effort will be put into just getting enough food to survive. There won’t be a technical class, there won’t be time for the level of education necessary to use the vast majority of that pre-war tech.
The only plausible explanation I can think of is some force or forces actively working to disrupt reconstruction.
Lack of imagination on your part is not my problem :)
Yeah, it’s all coming back now. With a president this crazy it kinda fits:
Aw, man, I love Fallout dialogues.
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