TimJames
2867
The modern approach to sports divorces seems to be to position yourself as the party that really wants to make it work, then be so passive-aggressive in practice that you force the other party to capitulate and either request a trade or make the trade.
I will send them Cousins and a shiny penny to do them a favor and take Murray off their hands.
They should punish him by making him a Panther.
If by that you mean “he was a bad fit in any NFL offense.”
YES YES YES YES
PLEASE
We need the Nickelodeon NVP back starting games.
Nagy definitely didn’t do Trubisky any favors. Not to say all the blame was on him, but he never designed an offense around what Trubisky did well, and just expected him to fit into a pre-determined mold. I mean, has Chicago taken Mahomes instead, I’m not saying Mahomes would have flamed out, but he wouldn’t be anywhere near as good as he is now.
At some point, Chicago has to stop being the team where QBs go to die.
When was the last time they had a star QB? I don’t even know if I count McMahon as one. Was it Sid Luckman?
Yeah - probably Luckman. I mean, there’ve been some decent QBs at times - Jim Miller was OK, Jim Harbaugh was OK (maybe we just need another Jim), but we’ve never really rose above that. Cutler was probably considered a ‘star’ by some, but I don’t think he was worthy of that. Not saying he sucked, but fits in that ‘OK’ group that could have won a Super Bowl if the Defense played lights out.
Biggest issue seems to be every now and then, it looks like we’re going to get that ‘star’ QB - Grossman and Trubisky each had one really good year that we thought they were going to build on, and then they didn’t. But nothing more than that one good year.
CraigM
2877
Cutler was good, but his biggest problem was a string of shitty OC’s.
That was one problem. The other big one is that when he found a receiver he liked, he concentrated on him almost exclusively. He didn’t seem to be good at all at coming off a receiver and throwing to someone else when they were covered. Possibly because his arm was strong enough to force a throw in there more times than not, but when it didn’t work, it failed hard.
Cutler always felt like Budget Stafford to me. Huge arm, would have absolutely brilliant games where the deep ball was working and the defense was back-footed, but always one play away from doing something just godawful stupid and throwing a terrible pick or getting strip-sacked or similar.
And then he’d just disappear for weeks at a time. Didn’t seem to respond very well to adversity. (Not saying that’s a Stafford thing – one of the things I’ve always loved about Stafford is that he never, ever gave up and would go down swinging no matter what.)
Lantz
2880
I think that ‘Star’ is a bit too far on Cutler, but he was a good QB hamstrung by awful OC’s and some really bad injury luck timing wise.
In 2010 they win the Division and made the Conference Championship and he gets hurt in the first half. Granted he didn’t have a great start to the game, but they were there and there was time to come back. And then he got very unfairly called out for quiting on his team despite the fact that he had a pretty significant knee injury and everyone acts like he quit at half time and completely ignore the fact that he came out in the third quarter and tried to play on it and clearly couldn’t.
He looked great again in 2011 and they were 7-3 and he broke his thumb in a win over the Chargers and they fell apart without him. I was actually at that game and came home in this drunken great mood because I didn’t realize that Cutler was hurt (he finished the game) and I thought that they really stood a shot for a another big playoff run. And then I found out about his injury at home and had a nice little drunken meltdown.
He’s got his share of negatives, but it always annoys me that people act like he wasn’t tough. Dude took roughly a million big hits a season because his OC didn’t believe in TEs or blocking and didn’t get cold feet.
CraigM
2881
All of this. Cutler on the Patriots probably has several rings, because. he had talent and tools. He wasn’t going to be Manning or Brady and elevate a team so that they win solely because of him on a regular basis, but he was certainly a QB you could win with.
So what does this mean? What are Trubisky’s strengths that Nagy didn’t use?
Throwing on the move and designed runs - they really dropped those after the 2018 season.
I mean, not new information ;)
The most interesting part was probably the amount of people defending him in the comments…
