Getting block grants to survive the Byrd Bath will be a challenge.

Getting John McCain to DC to vote for this before mid September seems a bigger problem.

Getting the HFC to approve block grants to states–which will include Blue States who will use them for lord knows what liberal crap–may also be a no go.

Mandatory abortions and sex change operations.

There is only one possible salesman for a major national shift in policy, and that is the president of the United States. And Trump is a salesman. The problem is he knows only how to sell himself. He has no clue how to sell anything else.

But the continued resistance of Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) illuminated the deep distrust that accrued over the Senate leadership’s secretive process, as well as the major substantive issues in the Republican health care bill that GOP never was fully ready to engage on.

From Day 1 the two veteran senators made clear what their top concerns were. They were shut out from a private group said to be working on a closed-door health care deal that was only the start of multiple norms busted and a unprecedented lack of transparency. And rather than meet their demands on the substance, Republicans attempted to cut side deals or even bully them, until they were just written off completely.

While McCain’s vote had up until the very last second felt up in the air, Murkowski’s and Collin’s opposition was months in the making.

One of the senators traveling with Murkowski was Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas. Cornyn is one of the Senate’s Republican leaders, and during their flight over the 49th state, Murkowski said she tried to make it clear to Cornyn that Alaska is a different place, and what works in the Lower 48 will not work in Alaska.

“There’s a lot of work to be done,” Murkowski told teachers at the SHI conference.

After her conference speech, Murkowski was approached by a teacher who said she would not be alive today without health care provided by the Affordable Care Act passed by Congress and signed by President Barack Obama.

Speaking to reporters, Murkowski said she heard from another woman undergoing treatment for cancer.

“She needs to just focus on getting her body whole, but she’s got another series (of treatments) to come up, and she was saying, I can’t focus on myself … because I’m so worried that something’s going to happen to my health care and I will be labeled with a pre-existing condition and I’m never going to be able to get health care again,” Murkowski said. “It’s these types of stories that remind me that no, the importance of a timeline is not nearly as important as getting this right.”

That’s not a problem, it’s the saving grace.

Yeah, I’ve been thinking recently that a President Pence would have gotten the Obamacare repeal through congress by now, plus any number of other odious bills.

Read about the free healthcare “event” they had in Maryland recently, 1000+ people queue up, and the first 1000 get free dental work done, mostly pulling out teeth. One person they interviewed was a Trump voter, who was a Obama supporter in 2008. They felt they had been forgotten so they voted for Trump, who promised better health care, now they wonder if they made a mistake. Either way, they’d probably still have to be in the queue regardless.

@instant0 I read about the same type of event in southern Virginia. Tim Kaine was even there helping to provide healthcare (I have no idea what he did!). The frightening part is this: there were lots of Trump supporters, and many of them are still Trump supporters, I suppose thinking this event was all due to Trump, or still wanting to give him a chance, or thinking he’s doing a great job. It’s so maddening how people can be this out of touch.

Yea - it is hard to imagine people can be so blind, on the other hand I do not think their situation would’ve improved under HRC either. Not unless the Democrats had full control over every branch of government… and even then, I seem to recall the first two years of Obama they had full control, and they focused so much on being “bipartisan” they hardly got anything done.

As the PBS link showed, from 2012, there were people in the queues back then as well, ACA was enacted 2010, although I guess it would’ve taken a few years to take effect everywhere.

Still, it is crazy all the effort spent on getting rid of ACA, even if it is probably a poor comparison to what most other western democracies still have… (But not to worry, it will probably disappear as the financial burden gets too big).

The new article I read mentioned that 1/5 Americans over the age of 65 have no real teeth left.

Other than PPACA, ARRA, Ledbetter Act and Dodd-Frank, you mean? (a.k.a the most liberal legislative agenda since at least the Johnson administration.)

Semi-relatedly, I’m pleading yet again for y’all to stop with the “PPACA was a Republican idea!” nonsense.

I’d say they didn’t hardly get anything done. They passed a massive stimulus bill, they passed the ACA (which is where they spent a ton of political capital), they passed new regs on Wall Street. And they did this against massive opposition from the GOP, which stopped being a rational party.

I think the #1 priority when Obama took office was to prevent the collapse of the world economy. Single payer would have been nice tho.

Nonsense? I’ve heard over and over again (from individuals who seem to know what they’re talking about) how it was modeled on Romneycare which was the brainchild of conservative think tanks.

How have I been misled?

It’s a tricky thing when your greatest achievement is to avoid something. You can never really prove it would have happened without your intervention.

Calling something that passed with Democratic super-majorities “Romneycare” (particulary in light of the governor’s eight overriden vetoes) is a bit of a misreading of the political landscape ;)

One of the innumerable attempts at LGM to counter this mistaken belief:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/03/heritage-plan-conservative-alternative-aca-much-worse-ahca (Warning: somewhat snarky).

Thanks for the link, I’ll give it a read.

So let’s pretend that there’s actually a chance in hell that Republicans will work with Democrats on this.

Is there a compromise solution for this, really?

Can’t kill the mandate.
Can’t kill the subsidies, so the taxes have to stay.

Where is there a middle ground that could get 50 votes?

The individual mandate was a conservative idea, from the conservative Heritage institute and was promoted by conservatives such as Gingrich all the way up to the beginning of the ACA debate (IIRC April 2009 was the last recorded instance of Gingrich supporting an individual mandate.) That is well documented. It is true that Heritage was promoting the mandate as part of a package of conservative health care that would have replaced Medicaid etc, but the mandate was the idea that was taken from that and applied to Romneycare/ACA. (Oh, and OF COURSE it’s called Romneycare - Romney campaigned for it and signed it and most importantly was the executive who implemented it - don’t try to give Romney a pass on his two-faced paper thin denial and betrayal in 2009 - he’s a lying sack of shit on this issue.)

The individual mandate was only a piece of Romneycare/ACA, of course. The rest of ACA/Romneycare was basically the Swiss Model approach to health care. There are only 3 major models for extending health coverage or providing universal coverage. The Swiss Model itself is the moderate option of the 3 approaches to universal health care (Swiss Model is the moderate option, Single Payer is the liberal option and Nationalized Medicine is the leftist option). Basically what we in America did was take the moderate idea of the Swiss Model (heavily regulated insurance, subsidies for the poor) and replace some of the regulations and subsidies with an individual mandate. So Obama took a moderate plan, added a conservative angle and then proceed to offer that to Congress. He was in all honesty expecting the GOP to work with him on this as he correctly felt he was offering them a moderate option and also the most moderate/conservative option to extend health coverage that was possible.

And that leads to a big reason why I have over the years kept emphasizing the moderate/conservative roots of ACA: the Affordable Care Act WAS the bipartisan option. The ACA WAS the moderate option. The ACA was the most conservative possible option that would actually extend good quality coverage at affordable prices to a large number of Americans. That is why the GOP has flailed and failed so miserably to replace it. They don’t have any options that are to the right of the ACA that will actually keep or extend the ACA coverage gains without compromising in huge way (loss of coverage protections, loss of coverage subsidies, loss of Medicaid expansion, etc. etc.)

So in the big picture it’s true that ACA was not a purely conservative idea (the individual mandate was). But it’s also true that ACA was not a purely (or even mostly IMO) liberal idea. It was, if you know the history of health care in the developed world, a moderate idea, with the conservative spin of an individual mandate in place of heavier regulation, higher subsidies and automatic coverage. (Most Swiss Model countries don’t F’ about with an individual mandate, they just automatically enroll people who don’t buy coverage. The German system of compulsory insurance is a good example/)

And I emphasize this history not to say the ACA is a bad plan or that Single Payer is the True God and Bernie Sanders is Its Prophet. The Swiss Model, if implemented in a strong fashion with vigorous regulation, substantial subsidies, compulsory enrollment, a strong public option, etc. can be a very good health care system. Our ACA, since it has a fairly “modular” design, could easily be upgraded from what I call a “weak Swiss Model” to a “strong Swiss Model” by increasing the minimum benefits requirements, lowering the copay and deductible limits, increasing the subsidies, adding a public option, and adding automatic enrollment. That would deliver coverage and quality care fairly similar to single payer but with greater individual flexibility and less immediate disruption, although probably at a somewhat higher price.

No, the reason I don’t ignore the history of the moderate/conservative origins of the ACA is that I absolutely freaking REFUSE to give the GOP a pass for turning on this idea in 2009, for lying about the ACA, for misrepresenting the ACA as “socialized medicine”, for exaggerating the negatives, exaggerating the flaws and challenges of ACA, and falsely promising “awesome conservative alternatives”, magic-market-mushroom-care, etc. for the last 8 years. Obama, out of his naive belief that bipartisan compromise was possible in this country in 2009, offered the Republicans a moderate health care plan. THAT was their chance. They took a huge political dump all over it, used the negative attacks to weaken Obama’s Presidency and impede his agenda for 8 years, to scare Americans into voting them into power in 2010, and just generally lied, deceived, manipulated and exploited like MFers on health care for 8 years.

So I refuse to ignore this.

Lastly, the reality that the ACA was the most moderate to conservative option that would actually deliver good quality coverage gains for most Americans means that the GOP is truly in a corner now. Since they vociferously critized the overall setup of the ACA, they can’t do the same or a similar structure without rendering themselves vulnerable to attacks of “Obamacare 2.0!!” from their extreme edge. And since they also demonized almost every single individual aspect of the ACA (they criticized the minimum benefits requirements, AND the insurance regulation, AND the individual mandate, AND the subsides, and…), this means they cannot pick and choose useful pieces of the ACA without having the same problem. They are screwed. Because they screwed themselves.

The GOP plan (or the closest thing they had to one, the BCRA) had a few good points. Chief among them were the incentives to maintain continuous coverage and stricter adherence to the designated enrollment periods. Both are designed to prevent people gaming the system, waiting until they are sick to buy (or upgrade) their insurance. People who do this raise rates for everyone else. (Note, one of our regular posters here noticed this loophole almost immediately when the ACA was passed, and he said he planned to take advantage of it).

On the other hand, changing these rules would make access to health insurance more difficult for some people, including some who were not trying to game the system. So, Democrats resist these changes (and the Obama administration was very lax in enforcing the rules around special enrollment periods). They would have to compromise here to make it work. In my view, this would be a good spot to do so.

Much depends, of course, on whether the GOP continues to let their extremists dictate policy. There is literally no chance you can forge a compromise between Dems and the House Freedom Caucus or Rand Paul. “We want everyone to have healthcare” and “Not one dime to help poor or brown people” have no areas of common interest.