Obamacare is the law of the land

[ineffablebob]

Um, I’m from this area (well, the Wisconsin/MIchigan/Iowa area). Right now, I know of literally no one who voted for him who are going to change their mind because of anything he has done (and likely not because of anything he will do).

These people really vote against their own interests. And often, frankly, they’re stupid. They really believe that all of those healthcare cuts are somehow making them better off, because the blacks in the inner cities aren’t mooching off the system anymore. They really are that dumb.

I resemble and approve of this comment.

The good news is, even if everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 comes out and does it again in 2020, the Democratic candidate can still win easily by turnout. All we need is a few percentage points more of the non-MAGA crowd to turn out on election day, and that tiny margin that Trump had in 2016 is swamped.

[magnet]

I’m from this area (well, the Wisconsin/MIchigan/Iowa area). Right now, I know of literally no one who voted for him who are going to change their mind

No Republicans in Wisconsin or Michigan will ever change their minds, which is why Scott Walker and Bill Schuette were elected governor last year.

[Papageno]

Judging by Trump’s comments this morning, it sounds like the GOP is going to try and release a competing plan to squelch the backlash

It will be a tax-advantaged health savings account. Wait and see.

Of course. The Republicans’ “solutions” regarding health care always ignore two blindingly obvious things: first, that health care goods and services aren’t like most, where you can take your time, get a feel for the market, get reviews etc. Hell, you usually can’t even nail down a price most of the time till after the fact. Second, that our absurd level of wealth and income inequality makes the health savings account nonsense a non-starter for at least 90% of the population (and I’m being generous there).

[Gordon_Cameron]

Anyone who can’t save for health care is an improvident welfare queen. But don’t you dare touch my Medicare. Just make sure nobody else gets it.

[SlyFrog]

I’m from this area (well, the Wisconsin/MIchigan/Iowa area). Right now, I know of literally no one who voted for him who are going to change their mind

No Republicans in Wisconsin or Michigan will ever change their minds, which is why Scott Walker and Bill Schuette were elected governor last year.

So you think Scott Walker and Bill Schuette weren’t elected because Republicans changed their minds? That seems pretty laughable. Modern politics is essentially about getting your base more outraged than their base, so they’ll go vote. It has very little to do with changing minds anymore.

[triggercut]

The good news is, even if everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 comes out and does it again in 2020, the Democratic candidate can still win easily by turnout.

This also = a very good point.

[triggercut]

Modern politics is essentially about getting your base more outraged than their base, so they’ll go vote.

Yep totally agree…but in razor-thin margin states – like Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and Michigan – it’s also about getting the 4-8% of legitimately persuadable in-state voters to fall in your direction.

[magnet]

First of all, if you change your mind about voting, then you’ve changed your mind.

Second of all, Trump’s polling has not been constant since his election. The number of people who no longer support Trump may not be as high as you’d like, but it is still sufficient to push states like WI and MI out of his grasp.

[SlyFrog]

First of all, if you change your mind about voting, then you’ve changed your mind.

Second of all, Trump’s polling has not been constant since his election. The number of people who no longer support Trump may not be as high as you’d like, but it is still sufficient to push states like WI and MI out of his grasp.

Well, I don’t trust those polls, but that’s a separate issue.

[Mark_Asher]

Well, I don’t trust those polls, but that’s a separate issue.

The polls up until the 2016 election were pretty reliable. Now everything is crazy. I just hope the Democrats nominate someone more electable than Hillary.

[scottagibson]

The polls up until the 2016 election were pretty reliable.

They were reliable in 2016 too. A poll isn’t going to detect the margin of victory Trump had in the handful of states that put him over the top in the electoral college. Even so, all the polls showed him with a significant chance of victory.

[ShivaX]

“There is a 10% chance something will happen.”
thing happens
“Obviously we can’t trust these numbers ever again.”

Most of us have played games with RNG. You never trust 95% completely, much less something lower than that.

[scottagibson]

Part of the problem is that we can never judge electability before the fact. Clinton won the nomination largely because most Democrats thought she was the best choice; which is to say, she was the most electable candidate on offer. Other potential candidates avoided the contest because they didn’t believe they could beat her — which is a way of saying they thought she was the better candidate.

There was a more or less unanimous view — even among Republican pundits! — that Clinton was the Democrat best qualified for the Presidency in the party, and the one most likely to be good at it. She lost by a fluke; a handful of votes in some very close districts that happened to trigger the time bomb that is the electoral college.

[Alstein]

You need to get the rest of the country to consider Republicans around the level of the animals known as cockroaches.

Make Americans think every evangelical is a potential terrorist who will kill their families. In particular, we have to make young Americans scared they will be killed if Trump wins again.

[CLWheeljack]

Most of us have played games with RNG. You never trust 95% completely, much less something lower than that.

I’m saddened to discover that there isn’t a standard X-com 95% shot miss image meme, just a bunch of videos. The internet is a failure.

[Timex]

[sillhouette]

Sectoids have excellent health care.

[inactive_user]

I mean, they certainly had excellent gym benefits once the Advent was established!

[Gordon_Cameron]

You need to get the rest of the country to consider Republicans around the level of the animals known as cockroaches.

Just for the record, I find this sentence objectionable.

[CraigM]

True, cockroaches are insects, not animals.

Also there is not a maliciousness to their behavior, nor is there in most* animals. So comparing a malignant political affiliation to a non sentient creature is entirely unfair to the creature.

*dolphins can be jerks for fun though.