Octonion Math in Physics

Roman numerals are seldom used in quantum physics, a notable exception being when one is performing polynomial division by hand on a slate.

Hey, Rich,

Yeah, I’ve seen it. Bookmarked it Haven’t read it yet, but I hope to
get to it today.

I just hope I don’t have to rewrite all my novels at the end of it.

P.

This sounds like a joke that’s way over my head? Math brains have their own inside jokes, I suppose.

I think it’s a joke that is way under all of our heads. :(

Is that why math isn’t done on clay anymore; cuneiform is too cumbersome to write? ^^.

Octonions look at first glance a lot like a stack of two 4d vectors and seem to obey the same rules (right hand rule, ect). But i’ve never heard of them until now!

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Multiplying complex numbers does rotations in 2-d plane; multiplying quaternions do rotations in 3d (often get used in 3d graphics and CAD/CAM type stuff); multiplying octonions does rotations in 4d. One interesting thing is there are no 16-nions for 5d; there is nothing after octonions. This might explain why spacetime is 4d. That’s about as far as I ever thought about octonions before reading this.

This seems to very early days in terms of her using octonions as a physical theory. Seems like she is in the “this is why they might be applicable” stage, which is a lot of work from where, say, string theory is today, where you can say “this is the mathematical model that gives us tools to get beyond current physics.” (Not that string theory has really paid off, since super-symmetry is looking like a bust.)

The article does mention she’s successfully modeled the first level of particles using octonions. Also that some of the math lines up with string theory. And there’s a string of physicists going back years who have had ideas along the same lines.

Promising at least!

My wife and I spent yesterday evening calculating the smallest Octonion yet discovered:

0.0000001

Seven insides (of the zeros) and one outside.

For some reason, this is all I have:

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Had we but world enough and time,
This coyness, lady, were no crime.
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Thou by the Indian Ganges’ side
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But thirty thousand to the rest;
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, lady, you deserve this state,
Nor would I love at lower rate.

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Thy beauty shall no more be found;
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long-preserved virginity,
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Through the iron gates of life:
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Stand still, yet we will make him run.

ANDREW MARVELL

Lines have two sides.
I have revolutionized physics.

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