Old World: How does X work? Post your gameplay questions here!

Oh, we probably forgot to make one of those docs public. I’ll fix in the morning.

Hmm it looks like I can access all the other documents fine just not the console commands. I guess that’s the only one I tried to open previously.

Should be fixed now

Where is the best forum to talk about Old World? I’ve enjoyed this thread, but it looks like quick questions are dropping off and there isn’t a thread for sharing anything more in-depth.

I hate to say discord, but huh, discord…

We do have 4 or 5 other threads. Perhaps this one?

My Landowner family is pleased by Holy War but offers “Make peace with every tribe and nation” as a crowning ambition.

Has anyone made a list of the missions families will offer?

How are the stats, characteristics, and archetypes of non-royal members of families determined?

When a non-royal member of a family dies, is a 19 year-old generated to replace?

Stats for characters are a product of that character’s archetype and traits. For instance, if you find someone with a high wisdom, it’s almost always because she’s a scholar (+3 wisdom) or schemer (+4 wisdom). And if her wisdom isn’t that number, it’s because she’s got some trait that changes it. For instance, educated will add two wisdom, whereas superstitious will subtract two wisdom.

In other words, the text will almost always determine a character’s stats. Some characters stats can change with the event system, but otherwise, stats are always just an expression of archetype and traits.

As for how archetypes are determined, different houses are weighted to produce different archetypes. I believe the specifics are in the Civilopedia somewhere.


How are initial traits determined? Are they randomly added if the character ages on the shelf?

What do you mean initial traits? Because as I mentioned, there aren’t any! A characters gets an archetype when she turns 18, which determines her wisdom, courage, charisma, and discipline. Any additional modifiers – stuff like educated and superstitious – come from events.


In the Family section, it will list the archetype most likely to be found with that family, which give big Ratings (Wisdom, etc) boosts. All characters also have a chance each turn to have their ratings go up or down and to pick up extra traits (this is what you see in the turn summary). Events also do this.

Families automatically generate new characters if they don’t have enough characters (and the target number goes up per city).

I’m trying to figure out why I’ve never created a minor city.

" * Surrounding a city site with your territory turns it into a Minor City" -source-

Do I need to surround all six hexes of the city site home base? Or do I need to expand my border only over the city site tile?

I’ve learned that hamlets do not expand borders over urban city site tiles. Do hamlets expand borders over solitary urban tiles?

Do specialists expand borders over urban city site tiles?

What dictates the purchase price when buying tiles? Or specialists.

Minor Cities are really just a solution for what happens if your borders reach another city site (which is mire relevant in the OCC). You have to fully surround the land tiles touching all of the site’s urban tiles.

The purchase price of buying tiles goes up each time you do it (per city).

Thanks. By how much does the purchase price increase each time I do it per city? It doesn’t seem linear, or based on how many existing border tiles are adjacent. Likewise, the coin cost for rushing specialists in a city are not obviously dependent on the civic cost of the specialist + some adder for #times of previous rushing in that city.

Can you share the formulas, or do I need to break out a spreadsheet?

Looks buy tile cost also goes up each time you do it anywhere in your nation, and the distance from the city center increases it as well.

Hurrying cost goes up by 10% in a city each time you do it in that city. Also, the first half of production costs more (so a 100 production item might costs 150 Civics if it is at 0% but only 50 Civics if it is at 50%).

Ah, great to know. Thanks for the response.

I had been rushing specialists turn after turn, regardless of the city’s civics production, because the “X Elder Specialists” mission is a part of all my games. But now I know I should let them put a turn or two into the chain.

How is the amount of discontent for rushing determined? Seems like 15, then 16, then 17, but I’m not positive.

I’m confused by the legitimacy of putting the Odeon, an urban tile, in the yellow circle, east of the hamlet. Urban tiles can be placed next to two adjacent urban tiles. This is not the case here. Urban tiles can be placed on any tile adjacent to the original city’s empty urban hexes. This is not the case here. There is a single adjacency to a new urban tile, but not two and not original.

You can tell the hamlet is on greenfield, because the current border reflects the two point distance surrounding the original city. I’d have captured another three tiles to the east if the hamlet was built atop an original urban tile.

You’ll note that the game correctly disallows building an Odeon underneath the worker.

There’s a special rule for coastal tiles - IIRC you only need 1 adjacent urban.