For some reason, 1) is the part Andy’s having a real problem with.

Interrupting to post humorous Amazon pepper-spray reviews!

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Continue your bickering.

Dead baby didn’t slow them down, I don’t think humor will. We’ll just have to ride this out I think…

I like it, but they used the orange band version which is 0.7%.

I just want to bring this up again so it’s not lost in the flood of clashing egos between certain nitwits in this thread.

I have to admit I find it weird that pepper spray sparked this huge backlash when the cops have been accidentally killing people with tasers for years now with nary a peep. Maybe it’s because tasers make for funnier YouTube videos.

Related Taibbi piece today (not tasing specifically, but how civil rights have been quietly eroded over the years).

From the very start we unleashed those despotic practices on foreigners, whom large pluralities of the population agreed had no rights at all. But then as time went on we started to hear about rendition and extralegal detention cases involving American citizens, too, though a lot of those Americans turned out to be Muslims or Muslim-sympathizers, people with funny names.

And people mostly shrugged at that, of course, just as they shrugged for years at the insane erosion of due process in the world of drug enforcement. People yawned at the no-knock warrants and the devastating parade of new consequences for people with drug convictions (depending on the state, losing the right to vote, to receive educational aid, to live in public housing, to use food stamps, and so on).

They didn’t even care much about the too-innocuously-named new practice of “civil asset forfeiture,” in which the state can legally seize the property of anyone, guilty or innocent, who is implicated in a drug investigation – a law that permits the state to unilaterally deem property to be guilty of a crime.

The population mostly blew off these developments, thinking that these issues only concerned the guilty, terrorists, drug dealers, etc. And they didn’t seem to worry very much when word leaked out that the state had struck an astonishingly far-reaching series of new cooperative arrangements with the various private telecommunications industries. Nobody blinked when word came out that the government was now cheerfully pairing up with companies like AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth to monitor our phone and Internet activities.

Who cared? If you don’t have anything to hide, it shouldn’t bother you that the government might be checking your phone records, seeing what sites you’ve been visiting, or quietly distributing armored cars and submachine guns to every ass-end suburban and beyond-suburban police force in America.

We had all of these arguments in the Bush years and it’s nothing new to assert that much of our population made a huge mistake in giving up so many of our basic rights to due process. What’s new is that we’re now seeing the political consequences of those decisions.

From the original article on the incident:

I repeatedly asked Fox if she could provide any medical records that confirm the miscarriage or that the clash with police officers caused it. She did not have copies but says she asked her case worker at Harborview to provide her with records (I’ll continue to ask for follow-up evidence and post if and when Fox provides those records). Harboview officials say they cannot provide any information, of course, except that medical records would mention those details. The Seattle Police Department did not immediately respond to request for comment.

I caught flack for this opinion on Facebook, but I’ll repeat it here… her getting hit and pepper sprayed is terrible, and if she really did have a miscarriage then it upgrades to unbelievably horrible and more, however, I’m a skeptical guy and so until there are medical records I’m going to hold on to my unbridled outrage because frankly I wouldn’t put it past someone to make a claim like this for the media attention.

Yeah I’m gonna want to see the fetus’s long-form death certificate.

Loss of life is always awful, and especially so when there is brutality involved. That said, I think it’s significant that those working to make political hay of this tragedy don’t seem to have stopped to consider whether a protest is the right place for a pregnant woman (or an individual with significant disabilities).

From what I understand, many of these protests lack proper sanitation, a fact that may owe in part to very cynical behavior on the part of public officials who want to create a bureaucratically uncooperative situation. Further, there is always a danger of violence during public manifestations.

Yes, indeed. If I were a university chancellor facing a sit-in, I’d spring for adequate Porta-Johns and clean water and let the protest run its course — minor expenditure, no consequences. (Of course, in the U of California system the budget meltdown makes that much easier said than done.)

…Jesus Christ…it’s like the awful person hat trick. You’re just the worst aren’t you?

How dare anybody but white, young, fit males protest.

Maybe we should make property ownership a requirement to protest, too.

And again:That bitch was like, totally asking for it, man. She should have known better.

Ryan describes victim blaming as an ideology used to justify racism and social injustice against black people in the United States.

I would have thought the idea went back decades in societies blaming of the woman who gets raped or pregnant out of wedlock.

PS…I was going to write how I thought maybe a protest was the wrong place for a pregnant woman but I didn’t have the guts. I also don’t know enough about the situation in Seattle.

Yes, indeed. If I were a university chancellor facing a sit-in, I’d spring for adequate Porta-Johns and clean water and let the protest run its course — minor expenditure, no consequences. (Of course, in the U of California system the budget meltdown makes that much easier said than done.)

It’s partly a question of whether or not the authorities in this situation choose to make themselves culpable for bad outcomes. Authorizing a protest with the express intent of later turning around and calling out the riot police is not only cynical politics – clearly designed to give the appearance of support for popular expression – but frankly disgusting. But that’s what all this argument is about, isn’t it? Whether or not the message in this case should trump public convenience.

…Jesus Christ…it’s like the awful person hat trick. You’re just the worst aren’t you?

Is this why you come on the Internet? So that you can pretend moral superiority to people with different perspectives on policing and a critical eye toward pregnant woman who show up at protests where violence has been reported in more than a dozen cases?

How dare anybody but white, young, fit males protest.

Right. Because that was exactly my position. Grow up. Unless you’re going to argue that pregnant women should be encouraged to ride roller coasters, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and eat raw meat, you’re a hypocrite. The first thing I want to know is whether this woman was actually part of the protest, or just got caught in the scrum. Depending on the answer, the next thing I want to know is why I should be expected to blame the police for these kinds of outcomes. People who put themselves in awful situations court danger. Nobody causes rape by wearing provocative clothing, but an intelligent person realizes that predators take advantage of single women walking alone at night in bad neighborhoods. An intelligent person realizes also that a protest is no place for somebody who isn’t prepared for strenuous physical activity and lack of sanitary facilities.

Look, point blank, the kids in the UC Davis video wanted to elicit a police response. You can criticize the police force for agreeing to discharge the chancellor’s orders. You can criticize the police force for the tactics employed. Certainly for using the pepper spray at too close a distance. Possibly (although not credibly, from my point of view) for preferring compliance tools to bringing in more police officers. You can criticize the chancellor at UC Davis for deciding to act against the protestors in the first place. I’m not certain what impact they were having on university life or safety. I presume they were having minimal or no impact on safety. However, I think it’s clear that the students intended to defy the police, and were intentionally courting arrest. It’s a question of ethics and procedure whether or not police in any situation are entitled to use compliance techniques (pressure points, tactical holds, etc.), although at some point, my power to safely and easily compel you is quite limited if you choose to resist and I haven’t got a much greater advantage in size and strength, weapons and special training aside. The students may have been surprised by the use of the pepper spray, but having seen the video, I’m not so sure.

An Occupy Wall Street supporter literally slipped President Obama a note today while shaking hands on the campaign trail in Manchester, New Hampshire. The tiny piece of paper read as follows:

“Mr. President: Over 4,000 peaceful protesters have been arrested. While banksters continue to destroy the American economy with impunity. You must stop the assault on our 1st ammendment [sic] rights. Your silence sends a message that police brutality is a [illegible]. Banks got bailed out. We got sold out.”

Morals.

Being arrested for being on private property, (as some of them have been) is NOT a first amendment issue.

That’s what you think the note was about? Come on, Brett.

The pro-life crowd will be clamouring for an homocide investigation any minute now, surely.