Pathfinder - Wrath of the Righteous; A Kingmaker follow-up that supports turn-based gameplay now!

So if anyone takes 1 level of ranger, they can get a pet even though rangers only get pets at level 4 and its -3 levels? Its tied to character level, not class level?

If this is the case, then does this apply with all class mechanics. Like a ranger takes 1 level of theif, and then gets free, increasing sneak attack damage if all other levels are in ranger?

Oh Daeran gets Heal. He also gets Mass Heal as a level 8 spell, but can then take it again as a level 9 spell for a total of around 20 Mass Heals per rest. OPAF.

No no. The columns matter. They show you what the class gets at each level. But there are plenty of classes that start with a pet at level 1. Plus there’s domain stuff to get divine casters a pet.

Hmm, my Daeren has the Heal spell and was by far a better healer than Sosiel, so much so that I respecced Sosiel to be the, uh, battle priest class. Daeren also, through Act 5 at least, has a better quest/banter/romance*. Totally agree with you his alignment, he’s super chill with basically anything I do as a Demon Lord, but leans much heavier into chaotic than neutral. Sosiel’s quest kind of fell with a thud in Act 4. With an admittedly cool reward if you do everything right, but not necessarily a useful reward.

**Romance - While corrupting Sosiel was a goal of mine as a Demon - the player in me didn’t love that I basically had to assault Sosiel into committing to loving me towards the end there. Felt a bit icky. Then I turned around and broke up with him when I was finally forced with the option to “commit” to one of my many love interests. I decided Daeren was much more interesting and we still had to complete his main quest anyways. Not sure if romance effects it or not. I thiiink Sosiel’s quest concludes in Act 4? Disappointed I couldn’t see where Camellia’s certain brand of insanity was going, but that was beginning to feel icky too. Wenduag dropped me in Act 4 at some point, but that looked like it was going to turn south fast. In fact…I think Daeren’s romance is by far the least problematic of the options I listed - which is hilarious in hindsight.

Daeren has the choice to pick up the heal spell, its just not a free one like the cure wounds ones. Instead of heal he gets cure light wounds mass. For his spell pick you need to pick heal.

So the pets will level with character level and not class level then? So if I give everyone a druid level (I think they get a pet at level 1, but I am not sure) then from that point on the let will level up with their character level and not be a low level pet forever?

If that is the case, I can pick anyone for my party.

Yes sorry, Sosiel is by far the least effective companion I’ve encountered. Daeran is vastly more powerful, for all that his curse drives me buggy.

No. Daeran gets Heal and Mass Heal as part of his Life Mystery. He gets all the “Cure” spells for being a heally Oracle.

Do NOT take those on the level-up. As much improved as the UI is over Kingmaker, it will still be more than happy to let you pick spells you’re already getting by default.

They level with the class level unless you take Boon Companion, then they level with the character level.

On my last run with Seelah I took a monk dip for Crane Stance. At level 20, her mount was level 19, because she had 19 levels as a paladin. I didn’t think it was worth blowing a feat to increase the mount by one level.

Huh. I do not recall every picking up the cure spells and he has them all, and I do remember picking up heal specifically. Well I need to respec him once I get from the abyss so he can get a pet.

The one exception here is Mass Heal! If you take it at level 9 also, you get double uses of it. Possibly overkill, but I liked having ~20 uses of the strongest heal in the game. Plus one of his skills was bugged and I could use mass heal to give my guys 200 free HP on top of whatever they already had. So good.

How is anyone supposed to figure out all these details? I am just leveling up characters in one class, but I see tuns of stuff about getting 3 levels in one class and then 1 in another, and 5 of this other thing…

Am I supposed to get the official pathfinder handbook and then spend days or weeks reading it over? Like you are taking the monk level to get crane stance. I just googled that and it seems like a tiny thing to bother with. Maybe there is something I do not understand like I did with how power attack actually worked. I am assuming Seelah is your main tank. What is her AC?

Yeah, it’s a lot. It’s part of what makes me enjoy these games so much the richness of depth available. I have 1200 hours now between Kingmaker and Wrath and there’s still tons I don’t know.

But you can also ignore all that complexity, and just level up everyone in the class they come with and stick to the default difficulty and you’ll be fine.

If there’s an expansion coming that integrates into the main game I will definitely wait for that, so maybe you won’t be alone playing in a year!

Build esoterica is part of the fun for some people. Knowing which levels of which classes get you what is some rulebook reading, but mostly experimentation. Or realistically, Googling builds and trying one out and seeing how OP it is. It’s hard to go off of just the rulebook, since Owlcat’s implementation of a rule makes or breaks how strong it is. Take the Community domain for Clerics, for example. Guarded Hearth is OP in the game since in pen and paper it normally takes 10 minutes to cast.

For the most part, on the default difficulty, you can single class all your characters and you’ll do reasonably well. I played on Core and kept the companions on all their default classes (and no mercs) except for a dip or two.

It’s simultaneously one of the best and worst things about the game.

Edit: or yeah what @Balasarius said.

I just respec’d my newest toon yet again to take advantage of flurry of blows with a quarterstaff. I didn’t have to respec, but my origin choice had gone scythe and I’d spent one feat on weapon focus for it, so those had to be changed over. It’s almost bewildering, but now at level 6 my unarmored monk has a AC of 33 when fully buffed.

I do not know about that, there are still some bullshit fights where I crank the difficulty down.
I wish the npcs/ monsters followed the actual rules and had some explanation of why they can do what they do.
For example, when taking drezen there is a level 16 wizard lady (in the are where the sacrifices are happening). If you stop the sacrifices, you have to fight her. Now this “wizard” had like 6 attacks around that hit for minimum of 30 points. Huge AC, insane resistances, etc… So I killed her by cheese when the pit spells still ran when time was paused. Then I loot her corpse and she has like a =1 dagger, +1 amulet of natural armor and +2 ring or something. There is no reason should should have been that god powerful. No where even close, yet this game is full of bullshit like that.

I spec Nenio full on evocation nuker. Any kind of mind control / illusion stuff is almost pointless in the higher levels. It only works on trash mobs and everything else is just like “Immune to charm/ mind affecting/confusion/paralize/etc…” even if their will save is 4, it doesn’t matter. The only reliable thing that works is pure damage. Its terrible design.

They need an endless dungeon mode. I am a bit tired of the main campaign, but I still want to try out some of the other mythic stuff.

It gives you +4 levels, up to your character level. Perfect for Bloodriders, Clerics with the Animal Domain, and Rangers.

I look forward to it!

All the Youtuber love Control Nenio it seems. Phantasm Killer this and Phantasm Killer that.

They have certainly made Throwing Builds stronger.

I do like the changes they made from Traits to Backgrounds, and how skills have been simplified (But every class still gets 2 skill points or more). It looks like, for skill points, each class gets 2 skill points, Plus their regular skill points over 2 cut in half.

So, 2 + (X-2)/2. This makes fighters/Paladins/Wizards/Clerics and the like a bit stronger, because they lose no skill points.

Anyway, with the exception of Prestige classes, I’m keen on those level 20 abilities, so I’m always sticking with Single Class Characters.
Plus, I think you get extra hitpoints for favored class bonuses.