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#2003

Big Brother Armando!


#2004

Seems there are Patreon fee changes starting later this month. FYI

If I am reading it right, say you pledge a buck, that buck now with fees cost $1.38 rounded?

The creator will get 95% of that $1, so $0.95 cents while Patreon would make $0.43 cents?

$1 + 2.9% + $0.35

That can’t be right, is my math off? As someone who backs quite a few people at the $1-2 dollar range, I try to stretch the $20 I spend a month on a few people.


#2005

It’s not right for Patreon to make almost 45% of the dollar you pledge. That’s outrageous!


#2006

That’s ridiculous. It’s begging for an exodus from Patreon implementing something like that on such short notice. Patrons and Creators are going to bolt. You don’t go slapping massive fees on something in that way and act like you’re not going to get a backlash. Jeez.


#2007

Greed. And the way to value their own service as deserving 1/3 of what most podcasts creators ask for their lovely content would be hilarious, if I didn’t find it just fucking cynical.


#2008

Looks like Tom still accepts Paypal donations on the front page. Anyone know what their fee structure is for small payments?


#2009

They’re trying to make small pledges less attractive to patrons, because their overhead makes them less attractive to Patreon. The problem with that, of course, is that the majority of Patreon users pledge like $1-5/month to a bunch of sites.


#2010

I feel like we had a huge fight over microtransactions on this board almost fifteen years ago and how fees would prevent them from ever being truly viable. Is this just more evidence of that?


#2011

Yeah, if this happens, I’m out from Patreon.


#2012

I thinking along similar lines. I wanna see how it pans out for myself and my patrons once the changes are made. If these fees seem unfair and untenable, I’ll likely leave Patreon as well for something else.


#2013

Not at all. Small transactions are profitable, they’re just less profitable than larger ones, so they’re trying to gently nudge people to pledge higher. But of course the nature of how people use Patreon means that won’t work.


#2014

This outlines the problem with basing careers as third party users of these new social media platforms like Youtube or Patreon - your livelihood is at the whim of a black box tech company liable to make arbitrary decisions with no warning that could easily destroy your entire business model. It’s why this whole “Silicon Valley will save us” fantasyland of social media saving the world is just that.


#2015

Patreon doesn’t have any special sauce, there’s no secret algorithm that gives them an advantage. Anyone could easily rise up to compete with them. Paypal could do it trivially, as could Stripe or Square or any number of other payment processors. I could build a Patron clone myself with an initial investment of under $20k, pocket change.


#2016

If it’s really that easy and that profitable, someone will quickly seize on this opportunity. I guess we’re going to find out…?


#2017

Yea, definitely. But they have mindshare, and that’s nothing to sneeze at. But that’s also over business scale lengths of time. It doesn’t do you, as a creator, any good if three years from now the collapse of Patreon leaves an obviously better solution.


#2018

Exactly, Patreon’s primary advantage is that they were first.

They aren’t Uber, who has to build relationships with thousands of drivers and invest in technology for ride-sharing. All they do is put up a webpage and take payments.


#2019

And to be fair if their unannounced price increases weren’t bad enough, their stupid new logo is reason enough to burn it all down. I mean… they paid money for circle and line. Probably a lot of money.


#2020

We’ll see how they respond to user feedback. They’re small and should be agile enough to immediately backtrack. If not, I would be surprised if someone doesn’t pop up to take their lunch.

There are already tons of Patreon clones available, even vertical specific ones like PledgeX (for homegrown porn) and DreamPatron (for music). So far nobody has put a dent in Patreon because again, they were first.

You can also setup a Stripe account and take payments from them, they also charge 2.9% + 30 cents per transaction, but don’t take 5% off the top. They also support apple pay and android pay so users don’t even need to take out their credit cards.


#2021

I’ve been meaning to ask this question for a while, so maybe someone can enlighten me.

I have $10 a month set aside for Tom. Currently I send that money to Patreon. But I also know that Tom has other channels set up. I could subscribe to him for ten dollars (I think) on Twitch. Or I could send him ten dollars worth of cheers (or whatever they’re called) on Twitch. I don’t know if YouTube has something similar. Or, I could just PayPal him ten dollars each month.

Out of all of those options, which one actually puts the most money in Tom’s pocket? Who takes the smallest cut?


#2022

This is a good question.