PC Upgrade - Looking for advice


Thanks for the fast reply.


I think I’ll keep this second one. Obvious improvements in all 4 corners. I don’t think this panel can do much better without a lot of returns. Only slight annoyance is the worst corner is probably the lower left, which is always the most noticeable to me. (Lower right has the worst IPS glow I assume due to some sort of panel polarization or filter thing I can’t even fathom.)

Bring on the Steam sale. I’m ready.


That’s a huge difference. Very nice.


I just piggybacked in this thread rather than making my own. Here’s the final parts roundup after various changes due to availability, etc.


I love action gaming and shooters at 100+ fps now, which is kind of scary since I’ll need to keep upgrading to maintain that.

I’m currently stuck playing PS3 emulated games, so it might take me a week to get going in this. I plan to start this prior to Divinity: Original Sin 2 so I don’t get too sucked into that one!

I wish Kingdom Come had a dedicated benchmark mode, by the way. This is the only game where I’m not sure of my settings yet. I found good settings for Monster Hunter World, and I don’t own any other games that will really push the system right now.


The other silly issue I have is that I went with the Cherry Red switches and I definitely have the issue people warned about where I sometimes rest my fingers on the keys and don’t realize I’m pressing one of them down since the pressure is so light. This has seriously confused me at least 3 times now.


That’s a damn fine machine. 100fps is insane target though :) I am glad I play on 60hz TV only.

KCD’s benchmark is standing in a square of the starting village. If you can get 60fps there, you can get it in majority of the game :)

Although Rattay is a bit more demanding still.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

I’m once again at that point where I don’t understand how building your own is cheaper. I would get if it was break even, but you pick great parts. But build your own now just seems to be considerably more expensive than buying an on-sale pre-built.

Like that’s $1,000 more than this: https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Master-GMA1396A-ARGB-Liquid-GeForce/dp/B07H7Q34X5?tag=slickdeals&ascsubtag=e3e98240f18e11e8abc2ce95ad32fc490INT

I know that it has a nominally better CPU, but it has a worse GPU. The limited additional peripherals don’t seem to make up for $1,000 price difference? On top of which, I’m not even factoring in the labor of having it already assembled.

What am I missing?

P.S. Tim, sorry, not trying to dump on your purchase - I’m more just thinking about getting one myself, and am really confused this time around by pricing, options, etc. Everyone seems to love building their own, but I really am struggling to see how it is not a huge economic hit to do so.


Some of it (at least for me) is finer control over individual parts. I’ll probably never find a pre-built PC with all the parts I’ve picked/researched for one thing. But a bigger part of it is the fun of assembling everything yourself. I mean, one doesn’t buy a pre-built Tank model, right?

There is a satisfaction to it, to building something yourself and getting everything working. It’s not always about price, especially this time of year.

I also feel there is a fundamental flaw with pre-builds, because the parts are coming from where I don’t know - are they as high quality as the parts I buy from the manufacturer direct? Does a place like CyberpowerPC get a rebate buying in bulk and if so, how is anyone making money on that if the parts aren’t maybe less than perfect? Who is the manufacturer of that 2080 GTX? Is it EVGA? Because I want an EVGA card in case something goes wrong. Who is making that RAM? Corsair? Or some company I’ve never heard of? What about the power supply? Did they skimp on that? NEVER skimp on your power supply! It has a 1 year warranty for parts, but I don’t know anything about those parts. I didn’t select them, order them, and install them. The video card alone should have a 3 year warranty, but only has 1 year as part of this pre-build.

That stuff makes me a bit nervous.

Also note that PCPart picker isn’t necessarily showing the best prices. Some of those things on Tim’s list are possibly cheaper (or were cheaper when he bought them). And his list contains items not included in the pre-build you linked, stuff like a nice Monitor for $650. Which is a huge chunk of the $700 price difference between the two.


So guys I am at a PC crossroads and not sure what to do today. I want to upgrade my tired i7 4770 (non K) CPU and slow DDR3 RAM to something new. Part of the motivation is to better run applications that rely on single core performance (gaming + work in mind), but I will also get use out of great multicore performance as I do video editing/encoding and often run many programs at once.

I seem to have 3 options:

  1. Ryzen 2700x
  2. i7 9700k
  3. Wait for Zen 2

Ryzen 2700x has so many things going for it right now, it’s very reasonably priced (especially with the current deals), it’s a straight doubling of cores/threads to my old CPU, and I like market competition so I will feel good not buying another intel. But I am worried about what kind of single core improvement I would even see over my current CPU, which is really the main reason I want a new one.

The 9700k is priced higher now than at release, even though it might be the only thing giving me the performance I want, Intel’s pricing and supply issues piss me off. It doesn’t even include a cooler in the box, whereas Ryzen includes the Wraith which is apparently pretty good.

It is possible to wait for Zen 2 if it is true that it’s coming out around March or April next year, maybe that will give me the value/multicore of the current Ryzens but with some extra single core performance to make it worthwhile.

Decisions, decisions… If anyone has any advice (perhaps you faced a similar decision and went one way) would be happy to read it. By the way, I have read alot of this thread, it’s not that I lack the motivation to do research, just still can’t make a decision despite that.


The $650 monitor!

But you don’t have to guess. Part out that pre-built at the website I linked and see how much it costs. It takes 5 minutes.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a pre-built PC. Do what works for you. You’re not missing that much.


I only went with the 9700k for emulators, which is working out nicely. Otherwise it seems like AMD has the price/performance crown right now.


Epic pc ripoff:


It’s an enthusiast processor. Most people buying that probably want a fancier cooler anyway.


Yeah that’s true, but lacking a cooler that can run the CPU well at stock doesn’t exactly help its already bad value proposition relative to the Ryzen. However, since I care about single core speeds I probably have little choice but to wait or suck it up and go intel.


9700k hands down. There’s a ton of games out there that rely on only 1 or 2 threads, specifically Unity games are notorious for being clock limited (late game Rimworld which has no graphic load). Also, you’d think Planet Coaster was limited by your graphic performance. The reality however, is build a larger park and let just a few thousand people in and your frame rate is entirely limited by your cpu clock speed. Every single TBS out there…

So from generic engines to specialized ones where you’d think they’d have figured out multi-thread performance by now (Frontier) - clock speed for gaming is still more important than core count. Except for Ashes of Singularity. For the games most important to me, I just don’t see having more than 8 non-HT cores is going to make any difference.


The thing is, it was a $1,000 difference (the item I had listed was $300 less than when you looked at the link - the price had popped back up.

I get the putting it together thing, but I’ve done that before. At this point, it does not feel like an accomplishment, it just feels like a risk. Like I have parts coming from 5 different places. If the thing doesn’t turn on, I have to figure out which part it is, then wait while I try to get a new one from one of the five places, etc.

I do get the idea of being able to pick your parts. But it’s not like I know one supplier is better than another.

I do kind of hear you - I just see things like this with a 9900k, 2070, and 1 TB SSD for $1,700 and wonder how I’m possibly going to do better.

But at the same time, I’m just too scared to pull the trigger and buy the damn thing. It’s strange - when I was younger, I enjoyed digging through all the parts, finding good suppliers, etc. Now I just want something good that works, for a relatively reasonable price. It feels like you can’t even find a good, reasonably priced pre-built supplier anymore. They either charge a giant premium (for things like Alienware), or for everyone else, at least half of the internet says they suck and deliver DOA product. I suppose this isn’t any different than anywhere else though - either pay for certain quality, or take the risk.

One of the things I’m currently thinking about is whether I should even be buying so top of the line, or whether I should be buying something closer to the $1,000 range, and just upgrading/buying more often.

In advance, I know I’m being a little whiny here - this is all frustrating me this time for some reason (not any of you, just the buying process).


Don’t know how it is in the US, but in Australia there are a number of reputable parts stores where you can pick all of the parts for your PC and then pay them a (modest) fee to put all of the parts together and test it for you, some even install Windows.


With Amazon’s return policy I really don’t see the issue. If there’s a no boot for some weird reason, just do a RMA on each piece. You’re only looking at either mobo, memory, or cpu as the primary problems. You’re up and running in 2 days, and since you have a decent grace period on return shipping you can wait til you have replacements to find the culprit before shipping the defective or other stuff back.


I do believe that’s what @BrianRubin just did


Yup, found a highly-rated shop on Yelp, paid them $75/hour for three hours work after I bought the exact parts I spent months researching, couldn’t be happier.