It’s not so much Kushner’s views that are the issue, so much as the fact that he’s a) a relative, and hence in violation of nepotism law at least in spirit and quite possibly in letter, and b) heavily involved in running Trump’s businesses.

I read the nepotism law, I couldnt tell if was illegal for Trump to hire a relative, or legal as long as he works for free.
Needless to say that fact that Jared is married to Ivanka, who runs the business is an enormous conflict of interest.
But at this point, my bar for a successful Trump presidency is no more than one nuclear device going off in the next 4 years…

Pretty much. It would be nice if we still had a working republic too, but that seems like pie-in-the-sky at this point.

Funny how Bin Laden got what he wanted and made his oldest enemies the winners.

Was Bobby Kennedy appointed AG before any nepotism laws were on the books?

From what I’ve read he was a key inspiration for them. Which is to say: yes.

The whole of your argument seems to be break down in [quote=“Anton_Gully, post:1520, topic:126890”]
n educated population whose numbers have been diminishing year on year. So more land mass each. Win!

The US has loads of land, many people and reasonably efficient airports.

Trump has figured out that countries don’t need quarrelsome people. They need workers. He will eradicate unemployment, once being jobless is a capital offence.

Sorry about comparing the US to Russia. That was a mistake. I’ll check back in a couple of years
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That’s the 6 year old’s argument ‘the other boys are doing worse’,

What Israel is doing is illegal and it has been censured.

Should other things come in front of the security council and be condemned? Absolutely but that doesn’t make this any less right.

Yeah, my big concern with all of this isn’t even just with the here and now (and that’s horrible enough). My real worry is all the terrible precedents being set.

Trump didn’t release his taxes, which might have shown conflicts of interest. He then puts his kids in charge of his business, and appoints his SIL to a position in his administration. He’s not stepping away from his business in any way, so what’s to stop this from becoming the new norm? Where CEOs or paid shills of various corporations can just become president and nakedly benefit their corporations? I mean, it’s bad enough with the lobbyists as it is, this just seems like a big step further down the road to corporate plutocracy.

Am I just being ridiculous? I’ve just been perpetually shocked that no one (figuratively speaking) seems to care about this. I feel like just an election or two ago this would be a huge either for either side of the aisle.

No, I’m pretty sure the US just voted a modern Boss Tweed and he’s bringing the rest of Tammany Hall with him. Maybe the New York connection point to something.

If you make noise about it other/wrong/losing side and want to obstruct ‘Making America Great Again’. The Republicans that could appear to far more interested in ignoring it as they can see their agenda being delivered.

The question is going to be how much they get away with before those that he’s promised realise they’ve been had. I suspect that’s going to depend on how far he can push the truth out of the way and in a post truth world it may be some time.

Sorry remembered that this was the optimism thread…He is keeping our facist monkey busy out of the country so that’s good…

Kushner’s conflicts of interest are pretty nuts:

On the night of Nov. 16, a group of executives gathered in a private dining room of the restaurant La Chine at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in Midtown Manhattan. The table was laden with Chinese delicacies and $2,100 bottles of Château Lafite Rothschild. At one end sat Wu Xiaohui, the chairman of the Waldorf’s owner, Anbang Insurance Group, a Chinese financial behemoth with estimated assets of $285 billion and an ownership structure shrouded in mystery. Close by sat Jared Kushner, a major New York real estate investor whose father-in-law, Donald J. Trump, had just been elected president of the United States.

So when the Chinese ambassador to the United States called the White House in early December to express what one official called China’s “deep displeasure” at Mr. Trump’s break with longstanding diplomatic tradition by speaking by phone with the president of Taiwan, the White House did not call the president-elect’s national security team. Instead, it relayed that information through Mr. Kushner, whose company was not only in the midst of discussions with Anbang but also has Chinese investors.

Anbang’s structure has stoked such suspicion about its true ownership that some Wall Street firms, including Morgan Stanley, have opted not to advise the company on United States mergers and acquisitions because they cannot get the information needed to satisfy their “know your client” guidelines.

Anbang’s deep ties to the Chinese state have also led to a break in presidential protocol. Presidents have long stayed at the Waldorf, but when Mr. Obama visited New York for the opening of a session of the United Nations General Assembly in September 2015, he decided to seek other accommodations. American officials were vague about the reasons for the change at the time; a senior national security official cited security, counterintelligence and cybersurveillance concerns.

But Anbang was nothing if not savvy. Company officials had cultivated a relationship with Benjamin M. Lawsky, who had earlier led the financial services agency, from May 2011 to June 2015. It was Mr. Lawsky, by then a consultant, who introduced Anbang to Kushner Companies, according to people with knowledge of how the discussions came about. Mr. Lawsky declined to comment.

Mr. Kushner led the negotiations, his spokeswoman, Ms. Heller, confirmed. Kushner Companies would disclose little else about the joint venture, except to say that Anbang would become one of the equity partners in the building’s redevelopment if an agreement is finalized. Anbang declined to comment.

It was just coincidence that Mr. Kushner’s Nov. 16 dinner at the Waldorf with Mr. Wu took place the week after the election, Ms. Heller said, adding that it had been in the works for a while.

Ms. Heller stressed in her statement that the United States has “not found Anbang to be a state-owned enterprise” — an important technical point, given that the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause prohibits the acceptance of payments and gifts from foreign governments.

Should it consummate its deal with Anbang, she said, Kushner Companies will seek any necessary approvals from the federal government. She expressed confidence that any deal would pass muster with the foreign investment committee, citing the fact that it did not block the Chinese company from buying the Waldorf Astoria.

Come Jan. 20, when Mr. Trump is scheduled to be inaugurated, that committee will be made up of his cabinet members, and the process is such that the president has the final say.

The arrival of the equipment and troops marks the start of a new phase of the US’s Operation Atlantic Resolve, which foresees the continuous presence of an American armoured brigade combat team in Europe on a nine-month rotational basis.

The new forces will gather first in Poland, then fan out across seven countries from Estonia to Bulgaria, while a headquarters unit will be stationed in Germany.

Optimistic? No idea.

The official said that Ivanka Trump will also leave her position as an executive vice president of the Trump Organization and as the head of her fashion lines.

The President-elect’s eldest daughter was a fixture on the 2016 trail, advising her father on policy issues and serving as a surrogate in cable news interviews. Ivanka Trump continued to sit in on meetings with foreign dignitaries and business leaders after her father won the White House, raising questions about conflicts of interest and stoking rumors that she would receive an official White House role.

Positioning for a 2024 run!

This has been a trend on social media of late.

One of the things I find infuriating is all these conservatives, including Trump himself, accusing the “liberals” of being ungracious after having lost the election. Do they not remember how they have acted over the last eight years?

Don’t be silly. It would be absurd to be gracious to a liberal or a Democrat or other such non-person, it’s like being polite to a lamppost.

Or like caring for a fetus after it’s born…Ewwwww!

How about the last 8 weeks?

Ok, attempt at weak optimism:

There’s a section of the left here in Spain that has been denominated (in jest, and rightly) the Feng Shui Left. These are people who are socially on the left wing of the spectrum, but that are, lets say, scientifically challenged, and are scared to death of stuff like wi-fi waves, GMO crops and, of course, contains a (un)healthy amount of anti-vaxxers.

Since most of these people see Trump as a disaster (hey, there had to be some opinion I could share with them!), Trump’s new embrace of anti-vax bullshit might make them reconsider their point of view and realize, maybe, that it’s as much BS as other populist points of view taken by Mr. Trump. Maybe the irrational right will spawn a more rational left?

There, I tried.

Far more likely to make them think better of Trump, I would have thought. The anti-vax stuff is bound up in their identity, whereas hating Trump is contingent.