I think you’re seeing the cart before the horse. For some people, it’s given that Obama is a fascist, socialist, America-hating, crypto-Muslim tyrant-in-waiting. That’s the starting point. It’s axiomatic that nothing he does can be normal or uncontroversial. And when his actions don’t appear to fit with the premise, they need to be squared away.
What worries me is the backlash against America Muslims if there’s another successful terrorist attack here state-side. I mean, the Right is apparently losing its collective mind from last Fri’s Paris attack, can’t imagine the reaction if dozens of Americans are killed in a domestic attack.
LMN8R
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Don’t worry, they’ll just continue suggesting policies which are quite literally fascist in nature while continuing to call Obama, Clinton, and Sanders fascists.
Good news for the GOP! There’s an establishment Republican who would easily defeat Trump in New Hampshire - by 2 to 1, in fact.
There’s just one tiny little problem. He’s not running.
There’s one other small problem. He’s Mitt Romney.
Excluding Romney, this poll has Kasich tied for 4th in NH (with Cruz.) Which I think is the best he’s ever polled there.
Miramon
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Romney: “I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected. Wait. Wait a minute. Ask me again. For pity’s sake, ask me again!”
In non-presidential news, Edwards (D) won the governor’s race in LA, beating Vitter. That a Democrat won in a deep red state would be worthy of note, but not only is Vitter a deeply flawed candidate, Jindal is actually more unpopular than Obama. Not to mention 25 years ago Edwards would have been a Republican. Still a tiny bit of good news for the Democratic party.
Yeah, Vitter and Jindal are pretty toxic down there these days. Vitter is considered such an asshole that members of his own party endorsed his opponent in the gubernatorial race. I doubt this means much of a shift for either party, but with how these guys gutted the education budget (of which your barely-literate pal Pogue is a product) and shafted Louisiana’s already damaged economy, nobody wants to touch them. But they won’t be voting Hillary down there next year.
I personally found obama’s cult of personality creepy in 2008. His logo contained no words, it was just a symbol. And the far far leftists here lost their minds suggesting I was saying Obama was hitler – which I was not. Yet, here on this page, we actually have Trump being presented as Hitler. T seizes being melodramatic, over the top hysteria it also shows breath taking double standards.
The point isn’t the logo/not logo. The point was how hysterical people here got at the even the mildest suggestion that the whole Obama movement had similarities with the cult of personality around hitler. And yet, here today, if it’s someone the liberals don’t like, they can manage to twist a clumsy interview into to a full blown assertion that Trump literally is Hitler.
I don’t think anybody is asserting that Trump is “literally” Hitler, because Hitler has been dead for some time. There’s also a difference between comparing someone to Hitler because they’re popular and don’t have words in their logo or whatever, and comparing someone to Hitler because they want to identify and track certain ethnic and religious groups.
I dunno. Just looks like rationalization from here. Ones sensitivity to the Hitler card appears to be proportional to their support of that person.
Meanwhile, some highlights of Bush as Hitler: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
magnet
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Trump and Bush are compared to Hitler because all three are on the political right, and therefore share a tendency towards xenophobia.
If you really want to find equivalence, just Google “Obama is Communist”
LMN8R
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Trump and Carson are suggesting policies that are quite literally out of Hitler’s playbook. Track persecuted religious minorities. Identify them so they can be treated differently. Paint them with a broad brush as a dangerous “other” that everyone should be afraid of. Feeding off the fear of a significant portion of the population to find entire religious and ethnic groups to place all their blames on and fear into.
There is no grey area here. It’s not an exaggeration. It’s fucking reprehensible.
And personally, as a Jew who was brought up his entire life to “never forgot”, it’s fucking disgusting that I need to remind people that “never forget” doesn’t mean “never forget <what happened to Jews, only Jews, and fuck all the other persecuted minorities out there>”
And as an employee of a multinational corporation who’s spent nearly a decade of my life working with people of all cultures and backgrounds - including many Muslims - it’s just embarrassing. I can’t imagine what they’re thinking as the two leading Republican presidential candidates are literally suggesting that they should be tracked, identified, and feared just like my Jewish ancestors were less than a single lifetime ago.
Not “figuratively”, not “kind of”, or “similar”. There has never been a more appropriate usage of the word Literally.
Yeah, its hard to compare what the Right wing think Obama will do versus what Trump and Carson actually said they would do. They are very different. As for Bush, I think more people reserve their anger at Chaney, and think of him as a puppet (at least for the first term).
Timex
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I think it’s because trump is suggesting policy which is literally similar to nazi gestapo bullshit.
It’s not because he’s a dick, which he is.
It’s because he is literally suggesting that the government go door to door and round up millions of people and then get rid of them without due process.
Last I checked, Obama never did anything remotely like that.
Alstein
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Earlier today I just saw someone on my Twitter feed say he was “fascist”.
To me Trump is more BNP than anything else. I’m also going to have faith even if Trump wins (which I think is likely due to Hillary’s weakness, especially if it prompts a third-party into the race), that anything too crazy he tries will be found unconstitutional.
One thing that I am seeing is I’m thinking a good portion white America has stopped giving a shit if minorities think they’re racist at this point. I think the Missouri protests were a tipping point in this (at least the aftermath after the President resigned there). This is a reason why I think Hillary is going to lose- the progressives distrust her, and this is a bad election to be a liberal.
magnet
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Yes, he had an irrational fear of Iraq.
Miramon
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Just to be fair he had an obsession with Iraq and Saddam because of Bush I, not a fear of Iraq. So he was an easy pawn for neocons with a few more neurons to manipulate.
Ok. Last thing I’ll say on this sub-topic. I just find it amusing to see people that are sensitive t their own ox being gored very quick to get into the ox goring business themselves.
I think Trump is dangerous. I could see him doing a lot worse than setting up national registries. But if discriminating against people based on thsir race or nationality = Hitler that would make FDR what? Super Hitler? I doubt trump would round up Americans and put them into camps as FDR did. On the other hand, I could see him starting a war with China or Russia over something trivial.
I’d rather see Hillary as president than Trump. But he’s not hitler for his stupid, blown out of proportion, clumsy interview answers.
