Presidential Race 2016

CraigM · 2015-12-09T14:28:57.000Z

Timex:

I dunno man, we totally label things like hate based crimes as such. If some nazi guy murdered a ton of folks, you’d definitely draw reference to the fact that he was a white supremecist, right? We specifically categorize ethnic violence, and don’t just say “violence”, right? Right-wing terrorism is categorized as such.

Like I said, if someone commits some horrific act as a result of their christian faith, you can totally call them on it.

But it seems like you’re going out of your way to intentionally ignore the cause of their terrorist act, and I’m not sure why.

Dan_Theman:

It may be by you or me, but the public at large and the media don’t usually call it that. For instance, abortion provider attackers are “anti-abortion” if that, not “Christian extremists” even though it’s normally their messed up view of their faith that they feel gives them license to become mass murderers.

edit - to be fair, I normally don’t watch Fox, so perhaps they call them radical Christian extremists.

I’ll echo what Dan says here. We may view them as such, and accurately at that, but to the public at large? To them the only terrorists are people with brown skin. Ask your average punter if they think Dylan Roof was a terrorist. Read the headlines about him. See the difference. Asshole terrorists like Roof are portrayed as ‘a nice neighbor we had no idea was capable of such things’, or ‘a good kid who made a mistake’, and someone whose killing is not portrayed as some ideological action, but simply the byproduct of an individual with issues.

While with the San Bernadino people were tripping over themselves to trot out terrorist. And, hey, they’re not wrong to do so! The killers were absolutely terrorists under any reasonable definition. The problem is the absence of the application of the terrorism to anyone who isn’t Muslim.

EDIT: The link from Telefrog, about Huckabee, is the only national conservative I’ve seen calling the PP killer a terrorist. While radical Christian terrorist may be better, domestic terrorist is at least something. Granted it further legitimizes the view that Muslims are not ‘true Americans’ by framing it as such. So that’s not good.

Nesrie · 2015-12-09T14:35:07.000Z

You realize that a president can’t just do whatever he wants. If Obama had the power to take office and just undo everything he didn’t like in the past, the next guy could do the same thing. It’s never that simple. Obama has had to work with a Republican controlled congress for how long now. And Laws like the Card Act, ACA, and incentives to hire new employees would probably not have passed a Bush 2.0.

ShivaX · 2015-12-09T15:47:52.000Z

Scuzz:

I think Trump attracts that group. I also think that if Trump was in manufacturing he would use foreign workers to make a profit.

He does. His clothing line is made in Mexico.

John_Reynolds · 2015-12-09T17:17:25.000Z

Just saw a self-identified gay man who supports Trump on Politico saying how he doesn’t want Muslims here because they kill all gays, that all Muslim countries punish infidelity with execution, all Muslim countries ban alcohol, drugs, homosexuals, etc. So I googled and threw a link showing that a few Muslim countries and almost half of American states still treat/list infidelity as a criminal offense. Obviously these existing laws, state-side, aren’t applied outside of divorce proceedings, but they act as a moral code that the politicians fear to speak against to have repealed.

Scott123 · 2015-12-09T19:43:53.000Z

Elsewhere; a petition in the UK to ban Trump from entering has 373,000 signatures. The National Post, Canada’s conservative / right-wing newspaper, asks the federal government not to return calls if there are any, or acknowledge Trump’s existence now, when he becomes the candidate, or when he becomes President.

Destarius · 2015-12-09T19:59:20.000Z

John Reynolds:

Just saw a self-identified gay man who supports Trump on Politico saying how he doesn’t want Muslims here because they kill all gays, that all Muslim countries punish infidelity with execution, all Muslim countries ban alcohol, drugs, homosexuals, etc. So I googled and threw a link showing that a few Muslim countries and almost half of American states still treat/list infidelity as a criminal offense. Obviously these existing laws, state-side, aren’t applied outside of divorce proceedings, but they act as a moral code that the politicians fear to speak against to have repealed.

I don’t get this. Doesn’t this fool realise that the right wing agenda also targets gays?

Murbella · 2015-12-09T20:03:28.000Z

Has Trump targeted gays? I don’t recall it but i probably missed it. Trump is no bible thumper. I’d be far more worried about Carson if i was gay.

John_Reynolds · 2015-12-09T20:27:01.000Z

Not that I know of, but this guy was jumping on the Trump bandwagon because of his own bigotry toward Muslims (as if Sharia law is taking over).

Destarius · 2015-12-09T20:40:54.000Z

Murbella:

Has Trump targeted gays? I don’t recall it but i probably missed it. Trump is no bible thumper. I’d be far more worried about Carson if i was gay.

Trump has come out against gay marriage. We’ll see where he lands on putting them on a register too.

zx81-Amd64 · 2015-12-10T05:15:25.000Z

Scott123:

Elsewhere; a petition in the UK to ban Trump from entering has 373,000 signatures. The National Post, Canada’s conservative / right-wing newspaper, asks the federal government not to return calls if there are any, or acknowledge Trump’s existence now, when he becomes the candidate, or when he becomes President.

Indeed. Although it appears it won’t result in a ban of entry to the uk:

‘Donald Trump will not be barred from Britain despite Muslims outburst’:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/09/petition-calling-for-donald-trump-to-be-banned-from-uk-signed-by-85000

But he has reconsidered his planned trip to Israel, until after his election to President (he might require ‘Presidential protection’ to go anywhere in the Middle East now?):

the Guardian – 10 Dec 15

Donald Trump to postpone Israel trip until 'after I become US president'

Frontrunner for Republican presidential nomination makes announcement as outcry over his suggestion that Muslims should be banned from US continues

Teiman · 2015-12-10T05:35:26.000Z

Cartoon artist are having a lot of fun with Trump. Is a easy target where doing a Goldwin feel justificated.

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Destarius · 2015-12-10T05:37:17.000Z

Well, at least it can be truthfully said that Trump can unify both Democrats and Republicans, and in the case of Israel, both Arabs and Jews.

Scott123 · 2015-12-10T06:25:54.000Z

Destarius:

Well, at least it can be truthfully said that Trump can unify both Democrats and Republicans, and in the case of Israel, both Arabs and Jews.

Lol. I still have this sort of sad hope that it’s all a charade. If only.

Pyperkub · 2015-12-10T08:00:12.000Z

Maybe Trump is just the president the world needs, some one to unify it. All we have to do is abandon any morals we ever held dear. .

Timex · 2015-12-10T08:19:57.000Z

Pyperkub:

Maybe Trump is just the president the world needs, some one to unify it. All we have to do is abandon any morals we ever held dear. .

I’m not willing to have America become the new Soviet empire, just so that the rest of the world has a new bad guy to rally together against.

Scuzz · 2015-12-10T08:29:57.000Z

Timex:

I’m not willing to have America become the new Soviet empire, just so that the rest of the world has a new bad guy to rally together against.

Has Trump been photographed shirtless on a horse yet?

CraigM · 2015-12-10T08:34:53.000Z

Timex:

I’m not willing to have America become the new Soviet empire, just so that the rest of the world has a new bad guy to rally together against.

If Trump became president I’d probably look for a way to move to Canada. Not in the ‘haha’ joking around manner either, the actually apply for jobs and move my family kind.

Timex · 2015-12-10T08:49:27.000Z

CraigM:

If Trump became president I’d probably look for a way to move to Canada. Not in the ‘haha’ joking around manner either, the actually apply for jobs and move my family kind.

Canada is the first place getting invaded if Trump becomes president.

Pyperkub · 2015-12-10T09:08:03.000Z

I actually took a glance at the amicus brief, but couldn’t easily find good data to support that statement. I probably missed it, but of someone else takes a stab at it. … I know that it was apparently written by a ucla professor and that both UC and the CSU’s have a lot of students of all colors/creeds who need remedial courses to be at the appropriate levels for college and wanted to see if there was a specific racial/class breakdown to actually support the argument that scalia referenced.

Wallapuctus · 2015-12-10T09:12:25.000Z

I seriously think Trump getting elected would lead to World War 3. Problem is, the US would be the bad guys in that war.

WW3 would probably be preceeded with some kind of civil unrest in the US, or even a civil war here. I mean the guy will give executive orders in blatant violation of the Constitution. The majority of the Red State public will back him, the courts will rightly overturn his orders, and they’ll be carried out anyway because the idiot masses love Emperor Trump.

Suddenly all those nuts with self sufficient doomsday bunkers in remote regions of Montana won’t look so stupid.