From Huffpo. But click on the links provided. Read the quotes.
by claiming that people can and should “ignore” laws or court rulings that do not “adhere to God’s rules” because “God’s rules always win.” “We cannot abide by that because government is compelling us to sin,” he said.
Rubio has called same-sex marriage “a real and present danger” to freedom and religion, arguing that only someone who has a “ridiculous and absurd reading of the U.S. Constitution” would agree with the Supreme Court’s landmark marriage equality decision and promising that his nominees to the Supreme Court would disagree with the ruling.
The potential for a President Rubio to be nominating the next few Supreme Court justices could prove especially frightening seeing that the senator, in an address to a far-right Florida group, rejected the separation of church and state as unconstitutional.
Timex
5023
The gay marriage thing is done. It’s not an issue any more.
Not only had it been decided legally, but the public opinion regarding it is past the tipping point. In 2014, 55% of Americans approved of gay marriage. And that number gets bigger every year. It’s never going to get overturned by an increasingly small minority.
Hell, even the Republican party is moving away from this issue, because they realize it’s a losing bet.
I’m still frightened. Hold me.
That’s kinda missing the point. It’s not so much gay marriage as his view, which you earlier called absurd, that canon law supersedes secular law.
By the way Tim, great job channeling your inner asshole. Give yourself a cookie.
Timex
5026
I thought Tim’s post was funny, and my initial thought was to respond, “no homo” but I was pretty certain someone was going to yell at me for it.
ddtibbs
5027
It wasn’t that long ago that Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage, too.
Alstein
5028
I think if it wasn’t for Biden slipping his support into a speech a few years prior, possibly by mistake, we might still not have the progress that was made.
One of the uniquely beautiful things about Joe Biden is that nobody will ever know what percentage of his mistakes are actually mistakes.
Tim_N
5030
Considering it is about an American presidential race, I think this thread is focusing too much on substantive policy matters and too little on the horse race.
So, what are our predictions for tomorrow? Mine:
Republicans:
1st - Trump by far
2nd - Kasich by a hair
3rd - Rubio
Democrats:
Sanders by 11%, just enough for a double digit lead.
Timex
5031
Dixville notch just held their vote. They are a tiny town with virtually no people, but they have correctly predicted the nominees since 1968.
The results:
Kasich 3
Trump 2
Sanders 4
So it’s Kasich vs. Sanders, folks!
I think Kasich might have a decent showing in NH. He’s done hundreds of town hauls in NH, and I’ve seen a few clips where he really engages with the audience rather than just giving canned stump speeches. It’s odd seeing a guy with a relatively optimistic point of view rather than the ridiculous chicken little scenarios his peers are always chirping about.
Unfortunately, he’s putting all his eggs in that basket and I don’t think he’ll see another top 3 finish.
My prediction
Trump by under 10
Kasich
Bush
Rubio
Cristie
Cruz
Carson
But only ~10% will separate Kasich from Christie so they will all stay in.
QFT. I’ve worked with a number of diplomats. Sometimes those gaffes aren’t.
Let me apologize to Tim. I misread his post. Sorry about that Tim.
I was gonna make the same prediction. There’s a chance Cruz finishes ahead of Christie - libertarians are moving towards Cruz, and NH has a fair number of those.
And Sanders by 8 over Clinton (no doubt he’ll win, the question will be by what margin. A lot of undeclareds might end up voting in the Republican primary, reducing his margin.)
magnet
5037
Only if you are willing to ignore 1972 (Muskie), 1984 (Hollings), 1988 (Gephardt), 2000 (Bradley), and 2004 (Clark).
They did better on the GOP side, but I suspect that’s partly because many GOP primaries since 1968 were not seriously contested. Of the six GOP primaries without an incumbent president or veep, the eventual winner was predicted by Dixville Notch four times (Nixon, Dole, GWB, McCain). In the other contested GOP primaries, Dixville hedged its bets and the eventual winner (Reagan, Romney) tied for first place with an eventual loser (GHWB, Huntsman).
Miramon
5038
I think his throat is getting used to it. Pity about his brain, though. It’s hard to say which of Cruz and Rubio I like less. Whichever one I just saw speaking, I guess. They are so very repugnant in a creepy-valley reptoid sort of way. Trump may be more obnoxious still, but he is obnoxious in a human way at least. These guys really seem like defective orator-bots.
I think it’s a shame how you YouTube linkers are trying to ram your morals down our throats instead of the God-fearing morals that we learn in church with our communities and not from movies and the Hollywood culture and what THEY want you and your children in the twenty-first century to believe.
Timex
5040
This is silly though, because Trump is just as repetitive in his talking points. The chief difference is that his talking points are far more ridiculous and idiotic, and often just focus on repeating juvenile insults.
If you watch Trump speak, he will consistently repeat the exact same phrases… they just have no substance at all.
Hell, in practice, all of the candidates robotically repeat the same messages. It’s how you campaign at that level.
What’s Sanders’ foreign policy plan? It’s that Clinton voted for the Iraq war, and that he voted against it, and that it’s not just about experience but is about judgement. He says this over and over again.
The problem that Rubio ran into was that Christy put him on the spot and called him out on it, while he was doing it, and Rubio didn’t recognize that he needed to change it up. But the idea that the other candidates don’t essentially do exactly the same thing is kind of laughable. They all have predefined scripts that they pull out of their bags for different issues, and they’re heavily coached on these responses. A big part of being a smooth politician is being able to retrieve these various pre-scripted responses quickly for the appropriate situation.
Sure, they all repeat the same stuff, but most of them mix up the wording every once in a while, or inject a little local color or whatever.
Rubio’s problem is not that he stays “on message”; that’s a good thing. It’s that he simply couldn’t pivot out of the rehearsed language that had apparently been drilled into him when Christie called him on it. Rubio said a line, repeated it, and Christie jumped on him for it. It would have been a forgettable moment if Rubio had not repeated the exact same language twice more in the next half-hour.
Not being able to think on your feet in a moment of crisis is bad for anyone… but it’s REALLY bad in a POTUS.
