I don’t think I’ve ever heard an American Christian say it as “Two Corinthians.”

That’s really interesting, I guess people would assume I am not a Christian if I went over there and talked about Paul. Although to be fair they probably would assume that anyway, being a self-identified socialist who supports gay marriage and abortion rights.

It still seems such a strange thing to call someone out on, why can’t people say it whatever way they want? What does following Jesus have anything to do with how someone pronounces the name of the epistle, or even have read it in the first place?

Anyway, sorry, diverting from thread topic.

You can say it however you want, but it’s a cultural thing. Like calling trousers pants. If you call your underwear pants, I know you probably aren’t American. Likewise where you stand on the word “fanny” and what it refers to. It would be like a Brit, who lived in England all his life calling a lorry a truck. It would be weird and you’d wonder if he was really English.

As a foreigner no one would think anything of you saying “Two Corinthians” most likely. It would be one of those things people say differently in Aussieland. An interesting bit of trivia. But if you claimed to be a religious American and said it… well people would think it was pretty fucking odd.

I imagine it’s sort of like that virtue flagging or whatever thing the GamerGraters are always grating on about. Saying it wrong suggests that, at best, you’ve quietly been a lonely Christian without any interaction with others to hear it correctly (and being a loner and not going to potlucks and Christmas service and bake sales makes you a Bad Christian) or, far worse, that you’re a non Christian without any regular interaction with those who are on matters of faith. Egads!

If you can’t talk the talk, there’s no WAY you could be walking the walk (nevermind how that line of thought might well fly in the face of much of what Jesus taught. In America, image is everything, and in evangelical Christianity, moving with the herd, fitting in, and playing the part are the best ways to project the right image).

That’s really strange that people in Australia would say " Two Corinthians ". I mean, it’s Paul’s second letter to the Corinthians. Saying " Paul’s 2 letter to the Corinthians " is weird. No one in the US would ever say it like that.

But even beyond that, the way he presented it clearly demonstrates that he was just reading a line. He clearly thought, “what do Christians do? They read lines from the Bible. So if I do that, they will like me!” Again, it so trivializes their faith, that I cannot understand how it could be anything other than profoundly insulting.

It’d be like going to a gathering of black people and saying something like, “I love fried chicken and watermelon! Vote for me!” It highlights that his view of all those people is hugely insulting.

The fact he said it oddly is not on its own the issue, it was just a big flag to highlight the real issue, which is that he was just saying words written on a piece of paper by someone else. Those words had literally zero meaning to him personally.

Per the rest of your post, I think it demonstrates that he has a very good grasp of what those people think. Or, at least, that there’s a large base of “religious” people that he grasps, well. They certainly seem to outnumber the Kasich type that you laid out.

Oh, without question.

I think that its an indictment of those people as Christians, and an illustration that they do not actually value or indeed even understand the tenants of their own faith, despite actually choosing to identify themselves specifically based on their faith.

These people have been here for a long time. The westboro Baptists are a prime example. Everything they do is antithetical to everything Christ stood for, and yet they choose to define themselves as Christians.

The reality is that these people are just like the Muslims who join ISIS, albeit less overtly violent.

What you all wrote makes sense. Interpreting it as a cultural difference is probably the best way to look at it. I agree it’s obvious (from other things he has said) that Trump is urgently trying to identify with religious types, it was just weird on this side of the world to have something religious friends and myself do all the time be presented as proof that Trump is a fraud. Anyway, I believe most politicians do this religious pandering it’s just Trump is more transparent about it. These types of evangelicals get what they deserve for demanding that politicians show signs of piety to get their vote.

That’s really strange that people in Australia would say " Two Corinthians ". I mean, it’s Paul’s second letter to the Corinthians. Saying " Paul’s 2 letter to the Corinthians " is weird. No one in the US would ever say it like that.

If people were discussing the epistle itself as an object, they would always say “The second letter to the Corinthians”, but if it’s referring to a specific verse it will be “Two Corinthians 3:17 says” probably 50% of the time. I would always do this unconsciously, but now that I think about it it seems like a movie title: “Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo”. It’s the sequel to the first letter!

You’d be interested in this:

2 Fast 2 Corinthians!

Perfect

Kasich is freaking all over the news tonight. And he really does handle himself well in interviews, as he doesn’t have as much of that nervous energy that is bottled up during the debates.

This is his shot. The cameras are on him, and he finally gets a chance to talk to the American people and make his case. And he’s got a pretty compelling case.

His case isn’t his problem. His problem is “the American people” or, more precisely, the GOP primary voter base.

If that’s true, then so be it. But I still think that there are enough Republicans out there who want someone like Kasich rather than the lunatics.

But at least now he’s getting coverage, so we can see what happens.

I had to Google Kasich to see what he looks like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before.

On social media I’m seeing lots of accusations that Kasich is an undercover Dem, a RINO, blah blah. Because, you know, nothing today makes you a Dem more than being anti-union, anti- public education, and anti abortion.

Except the other politicians put forth an effort. Trump can’t be bothered witch facts, or to show footage of real events he is talking about, or to actually know what’s going on in the world he wants to be a major player in. It’s just lazy to take a note and read it. He wants to pander to religion but can’t be bothered to actually listen to an evangelical because maybe ten minutes of that would have told him what he needed to know. His entire presentation is about what he knows and his way and anything outside of that he can’t be bothered with. He even tweets white supremacy messages on his social media accounts only to later say sorry he didn’t know where it came from… so take five minutes and find out.

It’s not that, it’s just that he’s selling himself as a simple solution. Unfortunately it’s a very, very complex world in which simple solutions are hard to come by.

Kasich may be attracting the reasonable Republicans but I think Trump is bringing a lot of people to the voting booth that don’t usually show up and will negate his gains. The type of people that normally don’t have any interest in or knowledge of how the government is run, the silent moronity.

So you think Trump is actually doing his “homework” on anything? I just get the impression Trump is going to do what he is going to do and he expects people to follow him be damned facts, processes or any sort of civil discourse.

We can only hope. Bush SuperPac has enough money to make the RINO charges stick, and SC politics is so dirty that I expect to see rumors of Kasich giving Obama a handjob in a Mosque full of ISIS recruits, to appear pretty soon.

My real hope is that Jeb decides to launch and an all-out attack on Trump and that coupled with Cruz hit him from right and with help from evangelist permanently damages Trump. I’m just hard pressed to imagine what attack could damage Trump.

We can only hope. Bush’s SuperPac has enough money to make the RINO charges stick, and SC politics is so dirty that I expect to see rumors of Kasich giving Obama a handjob in a Mosque full of ISIS recruits, to appear pretty soon.

My real hope is that Jeb decides to launch and an all-out attack on Trump and that coupled with Cruz hit him from right and with help from evangelist permanently damages Trump. I’m just hard pressed to imagine what attack could damage Trump.

That’s a good question. In my view you can’t attack him from the right since you can’t go more right-wing than “ban all muslims and mexicans from entering America”, and that’s the one issue that this block of voters care about, after years of fearmongering from a certain… group of politicians.