Presidential Race 2016

[Nesrie]

Caveat: I’m gonna vote for Clinton cuz she’s a badass bitch who would mainline policy if she could harden it and squeeze it into a vial.

Saw Kasich at GMU in Fairfax, VA this morning. I know this guy is a conservative in moderate-clothing but I could see myself voting for him. He comes across as a very reasoned, rational Reagan republican.

I thought about him for a second, then i heard the women in kitchens remark, saw the plan to defund Planned Parenthood and decided that the moderate clothing idea is a stretch.

[Scuzz]

Given Sanders’ high success rate with bills in his time in the Senate compared to Clinton’s relative paucity of passed bills and the excessive vitriol pointed her way by most Congressional Republicans, I’m not sold on her capacity to actually make better use of the Senate if elected. It might be a wash based on different competencies and drawbacks, but in either case, it’s tough to predict definitively in either side’s favor.

When was the last time a president had control of congress and actually took advantage of it to advance his parties agenda? I understand it would make naming a SCOTUS judge easier, but when it comes to actually passing laws and changing policies I don;t know when the last real “success” was.

[Scuzz]

I thought about him for a second, then i heard the women in kitchens remark, saw the plan to defund Planned Parenthood and decided that the moderate clothing idea is a stretch.

He is only moderate compared to his GOP opponents.

[Timex]

I thought about him for a second, then i heard the women in kitchens remark, saw the plan to defund Planned Parenthood and decided that the moderate clothing idea is a stretch.

The kitchen remark is really not a big deal unless you are convinced already to make it one.

I mean, if nothing else, the reality is that during the time period he was talking about, the majority of women in the US didn’t work.

It was a bit tone deaf, but he was speaking of the seventies, not today.

And he also apologized for it.

[ReptileHouse]

When was the last time a president had control of congress and actually took advantage of it to advance his parties agenda? I understand it would make naming a SCOTUS judge easier, but when it comes to actually passing laws and changing policies I don;t know when the last real “success” was.

LBJ on the Dem side? W pushed pretty hard on the Rep side w/ the tax cuts and such, so that may count depending on how you’re tallying.

[ShivaX]

Maybe women could go back in the kitchen if one person could support a family again.

[legowarrior]

Screw that, I want to be in the kitchen.

[TheWombat]

Maybe women could go back in the kitchen if one person could support a family again.

Or men. Men would like to cook rather than work in an outside the house job. Hell, I’d rather stay home and cook cool stuff than have to work M-F sometimes.

[Nesrie]

The kitchen remark is really not a big deal unless you are convinced already to make it one.

I mean, if nothing else, the reality is that during the time period he was talking about, the majority of women in the US didn’t work.

It was a bit tone deaf, but he was speaking of the seventies, not today.

And he also apologized for it.

My great grandmother worked. It’s stupid to think that even back then women didn’t work. Hell a local light manufacturing company right here in town was known for having the managers, men of course, rubbing the legs of women to make sure they shaved every day. It was an issue for some husbands when their wives worked there. Women have been working for a long time. It’s a big deal for a politician in a party that has been consistently accused of not addressing and losing women votes to make a dumb ass remark like that… and combined with his very recent vote, I am not going to give him a pass.

[Timex]

My great grandmother worked. It’s stupid to think that even back then women didn’t work. Hell a local light manufacturing company right here in town was known for having the managers, men of course, rubbing the legs of women to make sure they shaved every day. It was an issue for some husbands when their wives worked there. Women have been working for a long time. It’s a big deal for a politician in a party that has been consistently accused of not addressing and losing women votes to make a dumb ass remark like that… and combined with his very recent vote, I am not going to give him a pass.

Was it more, or less, offensive than when Gloria Steinem said that the only reason young women were supporting Bernie over Hillary was because that’s where the boys were?

[ShivaX]

Screw that, I want to be in the kitchen.

Or men. Men would like to cook rather than work in an outside the house job. Hell, I’d rather stay home and cook cool stuff than have to work M-F sometimes.

Well, sure, but I was just pointing out how silly that sort of thinking is. Women aren’t going to “get back in the kitchen” when one person can’t really support a family. Everyone has to work, it’s the way it is now and the people who bitch about it also tend to be the ones backing and creating policies that made it come about.

[Timex]

How did this get to taking about women getting back in the kitchen?

[Enidigm]

Clinton really is sort of the anti-Jeb. It’s just that in this field there are no significantly competitive Democrats (maybe scared away?) and the Republicans are bat-crazy. If it were the reverse situation Jeb would probably be walking into the White House in a year.

[Nesrie]

Was it more, or less, offensive than when Gloria Steinem said that the only reason young women were supporting Bernie over Hillary was because that’s where the boys were?

I don’t know what your point is, but be assured her remark was not well received by me and many women. If you followed that story, you’d know that. Gloria is not running for president though. And no matter how you dice history, poor women and minority women were working when their middle class white counterparts were expected in the kitchen too. No matter how you dice it, it was more than just tone deaf.

[Timex]

I don’t know what your point is, but be assured her remark was not well received by me and many women. If you followed that story, you’d know that. Gloria is not running for president though. And no matter how you dice history, poor women and minority women were working when their middle class white counterparts were expected in the kitchen too. No matter how you dice it, it was more than just tone deaf.

My point is that someone who probably isn’t sexist made a statement which was basically by any reasonable measure more sexist and belittling than Kasich’s remark about his first campaign in the 70’s.

It was a poorly chosen phrasing about how his campaigns have succeeded through the support of women. It clearly doesn’t indicate some kind of secret sexist core, given the people Kasich has had working for him, and the political appointments he has made over the years.

[Nesrie]

My point is that someone who probably isn’t sexist made a statement which was basically by any reasonable measure more sexist and belittling than Kasich’s remark about his first campaign in the 70’s.

It was a poorly chosen phrasing about how his campaigns have succeeded through the support of women. It clearly doesn’t indicate some kind of secret sexist core, given the people Kasich has had working for him, and the political appointments he has made over the years.

Which would be true if I based my opinion on the one statement… I don’t. I already mentioned his recent stances and bill he passed. If you like Kasich, go ahead and vote for him. I don’t consider him a moderate any longer. That’s my choice and you haven’t really proved otherwise other than trying to down-play his remark by finding a woman who also said something stupid.

[Timex]

Which would be true if I based my opinion on the one statement… I don’t. I already mentioned his recent stances and bill he passed. If you like Kasich, go ahead and vote for him. I don’t consider him a moderate any longer. That’s my choice and you haven’t really proved otherwise other than trying to down-play his remark by finding a woman who also said something stupid.

Sure, I didn’t take issue with your rejection of the planned parenthood action. I understand if that’s an issue for you. Kasich is an evangelical Christian, and he’s staunchly opposed to abortion. It’s not an issue for me, but I understand if it is for you.

I just took issue with making a big deal about some off the cuff statement. Kasich certainly holds lots of opinions that you probably wouldn’t agree with, but he’s not a sexist.

[Nesrie]

Sure, I didn’t take issue with your rejection of the planned parenthood action. I understand if that’s an issue for you. Kasich is an evangelical Christian, and he’s staunchly opposed to abortion. It’s not an issue for me, but I understand if it is for you.

I just took issue with making a big deal about some off the cuff statement. Kasich certainly holds lots of opinions that you probably wouldn’t agree with, but he’s not a sexist.

I don’t think it’s off the cuff. I think he habitually makes remarks about women being in the home, and if you do that often enough I question your stance on women in general. I think he’s done it often enough; That’s not his first remark. As for Planned Parenthood, if you think removing clinics from areas that don’t have great clinics or hospitals that can assist women with a variety of health issues means you can automatically gauge my stance on abortion, I would say he and those like him has sold that bill of goods over and over again pretty well.

[Timex]

I don’t think it’s off the cuff. I think he habitually makes remarks about women being in the home, and if you do that often enough I question your stance on women in general. I think he’s done it often enough; That’s not his first remark. As for Planned Parenthood, if you think removing clinics from areas that don’t have great clinics or hospitals that can assist women with a variety of health issues means you can automatically gauge my stance on abortion, I would say he and those like him has sold that bill of goods over and over again pretty well.

I guess Kasich must have been wondering what she was doing out of the kitchen then, when he appointed French to the Ohio supreme Court.

[Nesrie]

I guess Kasich must have been wondering what she was doing out of the kitchen then, when he appointed French to the Ohio supreme Court.

Is there where I get a to point out that just because you have a black friend doesn’t mean you you’re not racists or do you intend to go go through a list of every woman he’s ever encountered. He’s married too. He apparently knows who Taylor Swift is as well, maybe he’s a fan even.