Well his interpretation of the Constitution anyway, but that’s still better than Trump who doesn’t even seem to have a vague idea what the document says.

Well, the military is required to not follow unlawful orders, as I understand it. IANAL/Soldier/whatever, so the rest is just to the best of my understanding and may be waaaaay off base: if the President said “Commit war crimes,” they’d say no and still be following proper procedures, no coup (just a President who would likely be impeached). Now if the President instead created a situation through whatever means that placed an enemy target (legitimate or not) within the vicinity of innocents and there was not a way to effectively reduce civilian casualties further, the President could order the strike and the military - as I understand it - would be required to carry it out even if the case for naming the target an enemy was completely made up. Various people who supported that fabrication would of course be committing crimes, but the guy in the bomber doesn’t have the wherewithal to evaluate high-level intelligence and determine if the targets are legitimate or not.

Well I think instead of a coup, it would be a lot more of, “I’m sorry Mr. President, but we can’t actually do that.”

I think Trump would hear that a lot. From everyone.

Completely off-topic, but what the hell:

A coup is when the president is deposed, and somebody else starts running the country. This would simply be a case of soldiers refusing to follow an unlawful order.

We already know what it looks like when a president decides to go to war on false pretenses and we commit acts that many would call war crime. That’s our recent history. We know it’s absolutely awful, bad for our country and bad for the world. But it’s not Hitler.

Yes, if he made orders which are clearly illegal, then the military would be obligated to disobey them. And for such a thing to happen, it would mean the military was direct in conflict with the civilian government instead of at its service. This would be very bad.

But even short of that, there are tons of totally legal military actions which the president can order, which will have catastrophic repercussions for our country.

Is like that great line from “Nixon”

They can’t impeach me for bombing Cambodia. The president can bomb anybody he likes.

We already know what it looks like when a president decides to go to war on false pretenses and we commit acts that many would call war crime. That’s our recent history. We know it’s absolutely awful, bad for our country and bad for the world. But it’s not Hitler.

And that was from a president who ran on the platform of reduced foreign intervention.

Compare Trump’s rhetoric to that of Bush during the 2000 campaign , and consider that Bush created what was possibly the greatest foreign policy disaster in the 20th century.

On an unrelated note, Trump’s son is on the news and said his father is amazing. He said the word amazing 5 times.

Donald Jr. is actually one of the reasons I’m skeptical.

Here’s his speech to the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df19YYExBaA

I, for one, want to see Trump be the Republican nominee. I’m a registered Republican, and will most likely be voting for him in the primary. I do not think there is any chance he will ever be the President.

What the actual fuck?

If you think the GOP has gone off of the rails, this could well be the best thing to start to fix it.

Technically, 21st Century

It wont change anything. They’ve already set the narrative for when he loses: “He wasn’t a real conservative.”

Every time they lose it’s the same response. There hasn’t been a real conservative since Reagan (and don’t look too closely at him because he isn’t one either). The last “real” Republican was… umm… Lincoln, I guess. But not really, more like the idea of Lincoln.

So much to unpack here!

To paraphrase John Oliver, he’s either a fascist or pretending to be a fascist and, at some point there is no difference there.

Everything that comes out of Trump’s mouth conforms perfectly to the 14 characteristics of fascism:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Whether you believe him or not, Trump is campaigning as a fascist and people are supporting his fascist views.

I understand both Oghier’s and Timex’s views here so let me see if I can bridge the gap. While there is nothing worse or more dangerous than a fascist locking down the Republican nomination for president of The United States, the mask is so clearly off when it comes to Trump that I honestly believe him getting the nomination spells the end of the Republican Party as we know it. He is the final, illogical conclusion to a cynical political strategy that has warped the Republican party’s ideology into something deeply un-American. Cruz, on the other hand, represents something far more insidious. Because he is less overtly fascist, he can prolong the destructive ruse. Cruz may be every bit as radical as Trump but he’s savvy enough to know that you need to disguise that horror in a mask that is seemingly compatible with American values, even though it is anything but. In some ways, this makes Cruz more dangerous.

Trump can win the nomination and the platform this will give him to spout his heinous views will be truly damaging but I honestly believe that he cannot be elected President. It’s horrifying to have him in a position where this is a worst case scenario but I think he would be crushed in a general election. I do not believe that his toxic views represent anything close to a majority and, indeed, once he’s out of the splintered primary scenario, I wouldn’t be shocked to see his support top out at the crazification factor of 27%.

If Trump gets the nomination, I’m not sure they can recover and I’m not sure this is a bad thing but it begs the question of what comes next. I have a radical idea.

The battle playing out in the Democratic party right now is whether the party will return to its liberal roots or continue its evolution into a Center-Right party. We have seen conservative factions within the Democratic party before with the Blue Dog Democrats and the Reagan Democrats. A significant number of moderate conservatives have said they will cross over and vote Democratic to stop Trump. Why stop there? Why don’t we share the party for a time? If moderate conservatives starting running for office under the Democratic banner, they would probably be very successful. It would be one party rule but it would not be a unified party. The emphasis would shift from the current obstructionist two party model to a system made up of factions in which coalition building once again becomes critical to governance. The Republicans lost sight of the fact that politics requires compromise and the two party system encouraged this intransigence. A big tent Democratic party could be healthier in the long run.

Eventually you would expect a new party to evolve, probably on the Left. But in the meantime you’d have a party that believed in climate change (and science in general) but also was pretty cozy with Wall St and big business. You’d have a party that believed in the 2nd amendment right to bear arms (despite what the fear mongers in the Republican party would have you believe) but also supported common sense regulations. A party that believes in true religious freedom for all by supporting the founding principal separating church and state. A party that represents this country’s diversity on all fronts: racially, ethnically, religiously and politically. (Hispanics, for example, are generally conservative but have been driven into the Democrat’s arms by the racial prejudice of the Republicans.)

This is possibly a pipe dream and I know that many conservatives would struggle with the identity issue of keeping the Democratic name but I don’t know what the alternative is. I started out thinking that the principled conservatives like Timex would be without a home but then it occurred to me that, no, there is a home for them under the big tent. My joke that Hilary Clinton is a perfectly good Republican was only half in jest. The Democratic Party currently encompasses a pretty wide spectrum of political beliefs as evidenced by the power struggle currently playing itself out between the establishment and the Sanders Democratic Socialists.

Sorry, that was a book.

There are two types of populism – Authoritarian populism which can morph into fascism and whatever you call the other type of populism such as we saw in this country under FDR. (Sanders would call it Democratic Socialism.)

Lincoln, with his job-destroying platform of laying off the slaves, and his big-government approach to states’ rights?

That is a better phrasing for my thoughts than I was able to present, likely because I am perhaps too emotionally invested in the horror unfolding before me where some make portion of the American public openly supports a complete abandonment of everything that makes America good.

This part though :

Trump can win the nomination and the platform this will give him to spout his heinous views will be truly damaging but I honestly belief that he cannot be elected President. It’s horrifying to have him in a position where this is a worst case scenario but I think he would be crushed in a general election. I do not believe that his toxic views represent anything close to a majority and, indeed, once he’s out of the splintered primary scenario, I wouldn’t be shocked to see his support top out at the crazification factor of 27%.

I’m beyond the point where I am willing to bet the future of the world on the general public not being terrible people, because we have already witnessed an unbelievably large chunk of the primary voters in the GOP to be terrible people.

Also, after writing that long winded post, I’m not going to go into detail now but I think there is enough evidence to suggest that while Trump might pivot to the center after winning the nomination, his true beliefs are likely fascist. His history of racism, his off the cuff remarks about beating up people with opposing views, his antagonism towards the press, his narcissism and sexism and on and on belie his true nature. Just because he has some liberal views, this doesn’t change his fundamental nature.

I hear you but, after tomorrow, I suspect it will largely be a moot point. If come Wednesday morning Trump seems to be an inevitability, we just have to hope I’m not wrong about the majority of Americans.

Trump is exactly Mussolini, well, minus being an actual combat veteran with blackshirt thugs as buddies. Mussolini didn’t have a racialist angle to his stuff either; all that crap came from the Germans, really. He was a populist demagogue with an anti-intellectual, anti-liberal democracy bee in his bonnet. Just pretty much like Trump.

Jared Taylor, head of American Renaissance, a white supremacist, fascist group is on CNN right now advocating Trump and explaining how his ideas are great, because they support all their goals… Which, to be clear, are overt racist garbage.

Also, the way he speaks is obscenely creepy.