Recent air combat sim recommendations?

I really want to see TK succeed here, but I have a feeling he’ll need a stronger crowdfunding setup that at least promises a copy of the updated game to do so.

Yeah that would help. I think he’s not as good at marketing as he is at coding…


Just saw this over at Facebook (I have TW subscribed there).


Oh, and, holy cats, talk about your fucking blast from the past


If the kind of snap-rolls can contribute, ya’ll can contribute.

Good man o7.

…Aaand now for something completely different.

I took delivery of my PointCTRL set yesterday. PointCTRL is a way of interacting with clicky cockpits in VR that is pretty much like Track IR for your index fingers. You wear two little boxes on your fingers with three buttons, an IR led and a battery on your hands. There’s a little camera you stick on the HMD. The camera sees the IR leds and provides mouse input to the PC. The buttons act like mouse buttons.

This works like a charm. You raise your arm and point at the buttons in the pit, click with your thumb in a motion very close to grabbing a knob. Short of a fully featured simpit with each and every button and knob featured, this is the perfect way of interacting with the sim. It’s even better because it’s so small and unobtrusive. Unlike the complete simpit this does not take up twelve square feet of roomspace when not in use.

The downsides are its arcane procedures to get it calibrated and set up just so. Out of the box it works, but it does need tweakage to the individual setup. Another downside is the price, I paid about 200 bucks for it, and the long wait time. The man is making them at home, a small bunch at a time. It is very much a hobby project.

Anyway, for all of you VR fliers out there, I heartily endorse PointCTRL.

What a neat idea, I am glad to hear it’s working well for you. In thirty years time I can only imagine how archaic all this first-gen VR stuff is going to appear.

Oh yes it is. These are pretty darn raw, including an arcane setup process that really separates the men from the sheep when it comes to PC masterrace shit. But when they work they most certainly do point the way forward. point the way forward, see what I did there? yeah I found that funny too :nerd:

Remember the 50% improvement in VR performance that ED talked about for DCS? Well…

Hey guys, I know most have been waiting for some info on VR Improvements, this is what I have.

While our initial tests showed up to 50% increase in test conditions, it could not be duplicated by most customers. Some customers saw improvements, but it appears that this is dependent on machine specs. After analyzing the VR performance data, it was determined that in order to make large VR performance gains, it would need to be part of a more encompassing engine improvement that includes Vulkan. We will continue to improve performance where we can, but right now the move towards a larger engine improvement is required and being worked on.

Thanks all, I know its not the best answer, but we want to be honest and show that we are not giving up on it, but realize that bigger changes will be needed for moving forward.

eh, c’est la vie. sad if you were let down. I wasn’t. guess I’m in the lucky group that has a configuration close to the tested ones. with same settings my raw fps went from 45 to 60. so I tweaked ‘up’ to 45 again and ended up with a prettier game.

It’s good to see that they are still investing man-hours into building up, improving and extending their base engine. It is a crufty beast, and they are few so shit might take time.

45 to 60 still isn’t a 50% improvement!

I know, so they overpromised. Whaa whaa.

Is there another outfit letting me scream down a valley in a perfectly rendered virtual fighter jet? No. Ok. C’est la vie.


These directions tell you how to do it. Basically copy the files from the CD to your HD, then copy the setup32.exe you’ll download from the post below.

And put it in your Game\GFXPLUS\3DFX directory. Run setup32.exe, let it sit a bit, and then poof, the old win95-style install screen will just pop up. I then installed EF2000, and it works wonderfully! YAY!

Nice! Good find Brian!

Braaaaaarp! Death from above, bitches!

Meanwhile, I have gone full retro for this weekend…

Cool beans, enjoy!

Oh my. What a doozy of a patch!

Il2 Patch Notes

We advise you to browse through the 3.201 changelist below - in addition to big additions it contains smaller changes which were requested for some time:

New aircraft and other objects

  1. Tempest Mk.V Series 2 fighter is available to all Bodenplatte owners;
  2. P-51D-15 fighter is available to all Bodenplatte owners;
  3. Collectors Plane P-38J-25 is available to all Bodenplatte Premium Edition owners;
  4. The new map Rheinland Summer 1944 (including the Low Countries) is available to all Bodenplatte owners in QMB mode;
  5. The new map Arras Spring 1918 is available to all Flying Circus Vol.1 owners in QMB mode;
  6. B-25D bomber added (not player controllable);
  7. GMC CCKW truck added;
  8. Willys MB off-road vehicle added;
  9. M16 Half-track self-propelled AAA gun added;
  10. Sd Kfz 7 Flakvierling 38 self-propelled AAA gun added;
  11. Flakvierling 38 AAA gun added;
  12. М1A1 90 mm AAA gun added;
  13. US searchlights and landing lights added;
  14. M5 3-inch AT gun added;
  15. M1 155mm howitzer added;
  16. JagdPz IV L70 tank destroyer added;
  17. Infantry and AA .50 MG added;
  18. New types of road and railroad bridges added;
  19. New Western European town and village blocks added;
  20. New industry blocks added;
  21. Many new unique buildings for Rheinland and Arras added;
  22. New countries that participated in WWI and WWII added to the mission logic;

Visual improvements

  1. Aircraft and ships are visible much farther than before - theoretically, they can be spotted as far as 100 km away if there are fire, contrails or a ship wake;
  2. New ‘Distant buildings’ option added;
  3. Object markers can be blocked by landscape and objects, including own aircraft or vehicle;
  4. Static objects rendering has been optimized to increase performance;
  5. Sun glare from distant aircraft is visible better;
  6. Fire can be visible inside the cockpit on single and triple engine planes;
  7. It’s possible to display a customizable photo in all aircraft cockpits and tank cabins;
  8. Collimator sight reticle has been improved for all planes;

Aircraft improvements

  1. DB-601 and DB-605 engine sounds improved for all Bf-109 and Bf-110 planes;
  2. Realistic pilot’s physiology model is now active, which takes into account the duration of the G-load and rate the G-load was applied;
  3. After prolonged exposure to high-G load the load factor tolerance of the crew decreases and they require some time of steady flight to rest and recover;
  4. Oxygen deficit affects the human tolerance to high G-load more accurately;
  5. Visual and audible high-G effects made more realistic;
  6. The sound of the player breathing during a significant positive G load improved, that sound is no longer played during a negative G load;
  7. G-suits increase the load factor tolerance of the crew;
  8. The crew can become motion sick from alternating G loads;
  9. High-G loads, powerful impacts and pain shock can render the crew unconscious resulting in a loss of control;
  10. New ‘Simple physiology’ option added to the difficulty settings disables the load factor tolerance decrease, loss of consciousness and motion sickness;
  11. Damage inflicted to the crew from powerful impacts and falls have been corrected;
  12. The player can’t get painful shock anymore if the invulnerability difficulty option is checked;
  13. The ability of the crew to bail out is now limited by the G-load (including its direction), airspeed and crew health (wounds);
  14. Crew bails out differently depending on the G load direction - down if the load is positive and up if the load is negative;
  15. The movements of the visible model of the flight stick and pedals in the cockpit are no longer filtered so there is less delay between the movement of real flight stick and pedals and the virtual ones. However, the flight stick movement speed is still limited at high flight speeds or if the pilot is wounded;
  16. It is now possible to assign a trim axis if it was controlled by an axis on a real aircraft (control wheel or lever). The speed of the trim axis is still limited and depends on the aircraft, similar to the adjustable stabilizer. If you use joystick buttons or keyboard for controlling such trimmers, please assign these keys not only to electric trimmers but also to this trim axis;
  17. All Pe-2 and Hs-129 have their electric trimmers disabled if the power is turned off. Turning them on and off can be heard and the sound of trim has been replaced with an electric motor sound;
  18. The adjustable stabilizer axis is no longer inverted (its direction is changed according to DirectX standard);
  19. New commands for retraction and extension of the landing gear added;
  20. It’s possible to repair in aircraft when it is near an object with the service parameter set to On in the mission file. Repairs start automatically when the engines shutdown procedure is complete;
  21. It’s possible to refuel in aircraft when it is near an object with the service parameter set to On in the mission file. The refueling process can be started and stopped using the new commands and only possible if the engines are shut down;
  22. It’s possible to rearm in aircraft when it is near an object with the service parameter set to On in the mission file. The rearming process can be started and stopped using the new command and only possible if the engines are shut down;
  23. Spitfire stall behavior with released landing flaps has been corrected;
  24. British and American voiceovers added for Bodenplatte pilots;
  25. 150 Octane fuel is available for Spitfire IXe that enables +25 lbs. With it enabled, switching supercharger gears becomes manual;
  26. La-5FN skins should work on an MP server now, but this change requires reassigning its skins in the missions created earlier;
  27. Bodenplatte pilots got Summer uniform;
  28. Windmilling effect works on U-2VS;
  29. British gyro gunsight G.G.S. Mk.IId (Spitfire Mk.IXe) now accounts for gravitational bullet drop when calculating the deflection;
  30. Spitfire Mk.IXe electric fuel pump won’t continuously switch on and off at low throttle on the ground;
  31. Some instruments and switches sounds corrected on Spitfire Mk.IXe;
  32. Me 262 A behavior at beyond-stall angles of attack corrected;
  33. The physical behavior of I-16 fragments has been corrected;
  34. Smoke clouds after a plane crash in multiplayer disappear correctly;

AI improvements

  1. AI better aims at distant steadily flying targets;
  2. AI better distribute enemy targets among themselves;
  3. If an AI has a speed advantage over a target it is attacking, it tries to keep this advantage;
  4. Combat turns, spirals and banking maneuvers in a dogfight are performed more aggressively;
  5. AI won’t switch maneuvers too frequently, distorting its planned tactics;
  6. Criteria for choosing maneuvers in a dogfight were updated;
  7. AI keeps the formation better;

Tank improvements

  1. Offroad shaking has been made more natural;
  2. All the tanks now use the M4A2 aiming method;
  3. The engine startup sequence is now animated (master switch, excess pressure valve, manual fuel pump, wobble pump, caution signal);
  4. Inner visual effects are not affected by tank movements;
  5. Engine exhaust effect improved;
  6. Driver gauges, turret instruments, MG elements are now animated in multiplayer;
  7. Direction controllability improved;
  8. APHE rounds cause more damage to inner components after the armor penetration;
  9. The visual effect of the turret traverse motor exhaust added to Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G and M4A2;
  10. KV-1s and Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf. M commanders can fire the signal rockets through a small hatch in the roof when the commander hatch is closed;
  11. The engine startup sound on KV-1s and Т-34-76 UVZ (1943) depends on the starter type used (main electric or reserve pneumatic one);
  12. KV-1s, Т-34-76 UVZ (1943) and M4A2 have functioning klaxon (LAlt+S);
  13. Inner details and texturing improved on KV-1s and Pz.Kpfw.VI Ausf.H1;
  14. Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. M, Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G and Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. H1 bow MGs use the M4A2 aiming method;
  15. There is an alternate DT MG gunner aiming mode on KV-1s - through the periscope (in addition to the regular one through the gunsight);
  16. KV-1s commander and radioman have an alternate aiming mode - through a visor;
  17. M4A2 turret traverse can be powered by the motor-generator;
  18. M4A2 first-person view height corrected for a driver and MG gunner in unbuttoned positions;
  19. Visible (from the driver seat) rotation of the steering drive shaft has been corrected on Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf. G;
  20. Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf. M fuel or oil fire effect has been corrected;
  21. A firing port in the panoramic gunsight armor added on KV-1s;
  22. Air inlets of the engine compartment added on KV-1s;
  23. Slits in the driver visor on KV-1s decreased in the visor open position;

Other improvements

  1. The sound subsystem uses newer FMOD API - sound loss after long play sessions should be fixed;
  2. Runway floodlights work now;
  3. Coalition sorting functionality added to QMB mode;
  4. An automatic chat message in the multiplayer reports if there is no UDP traffic coming from one of the players;
  5. A workaround added for VR HMDs without hardware IPD adjustment - LShift-NumPad+ and LShift-NumpadEnter directly move the images on the VR screen farther or closer.
  6. Radio chatter volume is affected if the player is concussed, lost consciousness or wounded.

TLDR of patch notes: three new planes, two maps, lots of tweaks and upgrades.

There’s the tempest. Phoaar mate! bloomin’ 'eck wot a machine!

Then there’s the shiny american metal, with the P-38 standing out for its size and sheer dieselpunk glory. Amazing. I found both the -38 and the -51 better in a dogfight than I remember them from old 'n busted il2 1946. The mustang does not dip its wing when you ask it to turn.

There’s the Rheinland map. It has my home town. And certain features of it are recognizable! F yea! It’s also lacking of a couple features that they could easily have plonked down, just a cookie-cutter church or two would have gone a long way.

But the river is in the right place, right shape. The bridges are in the right places and the right model. The industry is in the right place. So that’s quite awesome.

Arras is very pretty as well. I like their implementation of no man’s land. It looks like hell down there. I tried putting my camel down on the market square in Arras, but that failed. Well I landed, but my pilot broke his neck when I hit the church at speed.

But for me the true star of the show is the new pilot physics. I love how it looks and sounds. Not a simple fade-in but layered effects that compound and better be heeded. GLOC is a killer! I find I have to unlearn some stuff and be ever more conscious of my energy state. Speed is life, but too much speed will kill you lol.

Didn’t they say labels would be occluded by the canopy frame and such? guess I overlooked a setting, as that is not happening on my machine.

Gorram what a patch. This used to be the sort of stuff they’d re-release the entire thing for. It’s a 2.0!

It looks like a great patch. I would be interested to know how much improvement there’s been in the AI dogfighting, and whether this optimisation of static objects has a noticeable impact on general performance.

It sounds like VR visibility might have improved too?

yes it has and yes it performs about as well as it used to even with the improved render distances.

AI flies better. I haven’t flown enough to say more than just that.

Look at this:

Isn’t that neat? You can import your own picture to put in the cockpit :D That’s my wife in a traditional Dutch farm woman’s headdress.