Red Dead Redemption 2 - For a Few Redemptions More


#1952

Man, if you find out let me know.


#1953

I found the exact spot that it is drawn from, but I don’t think it has a purpose. It shows the locations of cities/settlements.


#1954

No, it has a purpose.

Light spoiler

If you stand there at a particular time, something happens.

This is exactly what happens:

if you stand there at 2am, an alien spaceship comes down. The timing of this is found out by some notes you find in the cabin with the heaven’s gate cultists who have killed themselves.


#1955

Indeed? Hmmmm, I shall have to investigate…


#1956

I am but recently come to Red Dead Redemption 2. Please hear the tale of my plight.

Over the past few months I have logged a couple hundred hours (probably) in Assassin’s Creed: Odyssey. PC version. I’m pretty much a 100% PC gamer; the last console I owned was a Wii. And I’d never ever played any of the previous AC titles. I fell in LOVE with Odyssey. Hard.

But all the while I knew RDR2 was coming. Just not for PC gamers obviously. Years ago I borrowed my son’s Xbox and played RDR and I have to say it was a revelation and I’ve been waiting for a sequel ever since. In my pipe dreams I hoped this time Rockstar would put the game out for consoles and PCs. Alas.

Fresh on the success of Odyssey I threw caution to the wind and purchased a PS4 package w/ RDR2 (Cyber Monday special). I am starting to regret that decision. Please help me love RDR2 and/or love the PS4 controller.

It’s impossible not to compare and contrast the two games; Odyssey and RDR2. Well, the start of the two games anyway. Say, the Kefalonia intro of Odyssey and Chapter One of RDR2. In Odyssey I had a lot to learn about game mechanics and it took a while to get comfortable. An avid PC gamer, my forte is RTS and other strategy games, not ARPG or ‘shooters’. I sucked at the combat at first but I progressed and got better and long before the end I was playing on “Hard” and occasionally on “Nightmare” difficulty. Even when I sucked I could see a path forward over which I could and did improve with practice.

But this RDR2 / PS4 control system? Hoo boy. How do people do this? And how long should I expect to struggle until I acquire the skillset to operate a controller? I know that part of it, perhaps the biggest part, is that I have not gamed with this type of controller in a long time and really, barely at all ever. But there’s nothing wrong with my hands and fingers.

And it would not be so bad, I think, if I could easily replay the bits from the game’s first chapter which are clearly the games introduction to its control system. But it’s not. Am I missing something? When I go to the PROGRESS menu and select a section from Chapter One that I want to reply, even when I press X whenever possible to skip cut-scenes, there’s still 5 or 10 minutes (each section) of fluff to get thru before, say, attempting again to shoot the wolves coming after you and John Marston. Or take on the O’Driscoll boys with Dutch and the gang.

Once I wait it out and steer my horse through the snow for the umpteenth time or whatever, I can “fail” and then restart the section at the appropriate place, right before ‘action’ begins. But after I practice a bit with one section trying in vain to raise my progress from Bronze to Silver or Gold, I have to wade through 5 or 10 minutes of fluff all over again in the next section to practice something else.

I’m a mess with shooting and doing anything from horseback like maintain the horse’s gallop and shoot or lasso. I’m a mess with swapping out my weapon in the heat of battle. Everything just seems so ‘clunky’. How am I supposed to move, walk/run/crouch, and draw and aim and shoot? Fucking hands, how do they work? Fuck L1, L2, R1, R2, L3, R3 and FUCK Dead Eye most of all.

Am I hopeless? I want to be engrossed and engaged by RDR2 the way I was by the original. Is there any hope for me?

TL:DR… Help a PS4 noob learn to use his controller and not embarrass himself in RDR2.


#1957

Here’s the key:
Let the auto-aim do the work.

RDR is like GTA titles… it’s much less about manual aiming than a real shooter.

You want to generally get your target in front of you, and then aim down the sights with the L2 button. This will snap the aiming reticle onto your target, and it’ll follow them. Once you get the hang of this, shooting targets while you’re on horseback becomes trivial.

Once you get that down, then you can get into more precision aiming.

When locked onto a target, it’ll generally lock onto the center of mass. But you can adjust that aim point by moving the right stick, and it’ll stay locked onto them. So, a general mechanism for fighting, for instance, other humans is to aim at them, then push the right stick up a tiny bit which will move the reticle onto their head, and then fire… boom, headshots all day.


#1958

Wow, a rare breed: a PCMR’er who still doesn’t use a controller:) I can’t play mouse-and-keyboard games because of repetitive stress injuries in my wrists. Controllers are the only way I can game, so I don’t really get to play RTS’s and ARPGs. Your gaming world and mine are like completely orthogonal:)

Judging by how fast my kids picked up using a controller, it’ll take 10-20 hours to be comfortable with standard 3D controls. RDR2 is its own beast with a bespoke control scheme that takes a few extra hours to intuit. (And even after 30-40 hours, I’m still pushing the wrong button sometimes.)

Also, don’t replay early sections of the game. That is just tedious. Just ride around on your horse and try to shoot wildlife for awhile with redeye and without. Switch out your guns. Feed yourself and your horse. Use tonics. That’s all you need to do to start to get a handle on it.


#1959

Replaying stuff to “learn” is dumb. Just play, get to the open world, go hunt and do some missions. And don’t stress the medals. I had bronze on most missions because fuck arbitrary objective nonsense like “do 297 headshots” or “catch enemy in 10 seconds”, not to mention the game does not even tell you these objectives until after the mission. Just enjoy the story and immersion.


#1960

The challenges kind of exist so you can set your own difficulty - I’m maybe midway through chapter four and I’m finding the game pretty easy for the most part, so I’m going through the challenges to add a little spice. Well that and I’m a completionist.

Speaking of which, I knocked out the gambler challenges last night so that’s a load off my mind. I’m not really much of a gambler so this felt like busywork but what are ya gonna do.


#1961

If you don’t have baby hands I highly recommend those stick lengtheners from a brand called Kontrol Phreek (if I remember correctly). PlayStation controllers have always been uncomfortable for me otherwise.


#1962

I feel your frustration, Mr_PeaCH. I’m in the same camp you’re in, only I broke through somehow.

I’m in my 40ss. I hated, hated, hated controllers of all kinds for YEARS. With the exception of RDR1, I’ve always played exclusively on my PC. Then last spring I picked up a Nintendo Switch as a housewarming present to myself. Didn’t play it for a couple of months, until Breath of the Wild finally lured me in. For a day or two playing was an exercise in frustration, and there were more than a few ragequits. Then I began to relax into it, and after another day or so I was totally comfortable on a controller. Took me another week or two playing to feel like a badass.

This was a huge breakthrough for me, and it changed everything w/r/t my relationship with consoles.

When I picked up the RDR2 PS4 bundle, though, I was still a little intimidated. A little voice at the back of my head, for instance, was suggesting a keyboard and mouse. But I was determined, and repeated my experience with the Switch, and this time the process was faster.

Anyway the tldr is, it’s possible to overcome the issues you’re experiencing. Just keep trying, and eventually you’ll get it and you’ll feel good about yourself.


#1963

FWIW, I was adamant for a long time that I’d never move from the PC to a console, probably in some old threads on here. Now I only game on my PS4 (other than the occasional strategy game on my laptop.)

First, the first chapter of RDR2 is, IMO, by far much worse that the rest of the game. I loved RDR but as I slogged through the first part of RDR2 I was wondering if I was ever going to grow to like the game. (Answer: love it, but I had to get into the next chapter and have the world open up first.)

On controls and controllers, I don’t play fast action games because I suck at the controller and probably always will. If I’m in a reflex battle with another person or an AI I will lose. I also thought I’d never get the hang of the RDR2 control scheme. Like many, I far too many times went to say “Howdy, Ma’aam!” and instead pulled my pistol and shot her.

My only advice is just stick with it, and do a lot of exploring and hunting vs. just doing the missions. After a lot of exploration and relaxed hunting (and finding lots of interesting “stuff”) I find the controls pretty well memorized now. I can easily and quickly pull my gun, holster it, use Deadeye to shoot a duck out of the sky that surprised me and took off, etc. Just takes doing it a lot.

Fortunately for me, RDR2 is a game that rewards spending a lot of time exploring.


#1964

I want to thank everyone for the advice so far. I’m definitely going to quit trying to re-do Chapter One as a way to sharpen my skills. Also glad to hear it is by far the worst part of the game. I have finished Chapter One and the one thing I did was take Uncle and some women in to town on the wagon. On the way there I ran down a runaway horse. In town I got into a barroom fight. Then I sort of ran out of things to do it seemed. And since I was woeful at much of the game mechanics I decided the way to improve was to replay the first chapter missions. Never again!


#1965

:D


#1966

The epilogue is basically Rockstar doing an expansion pack and deciding to pack it into the main game isn’t it


#1967

Probably, I did a wiki check to see just how far I am in the game. Apparently I am not even half way yet. D:


#1968

Ya… I think it also helped tie things into the first RDR.


#1969

I ran into a sheep with a pink bowtie wandering around the Heartlands. I started to follow it thinking it might lead me to something interesting. Then I stopped following it thinking it might lead me to something interesting.


#1970

Heh, yeah, I saw that sheep too at one point… never found out who owned it.

Another time, I saw a couple get robbed by some random guy… I intervened, but not before the robber had killed the woman.

Then the guy started sobbing and screaming. Then he went and got a horse, loaded his dead wife onto it, and rode off. I tried following him, because I wanted to see where he was going… I followed him for a few minutes, and he eventually started yelling at me to stop following him. At some point, I got jumped by the Skinners, and lost track of the guy, so I don’t know where he eventually ended up.


#1971

I want to single out Timex for his excellent advice. It all came together after I stopped worrying about aiming. And it occurs to me that probably at a point in Chapter One when I’m supposed to be learning this that the game spelled this out. But the game has an annoying habit of putting up text in the heat of some action and by the time things calm down a little and I think to read it, it’s gone.

Matt, Paul and others urged just to roam the open world and do missions and do some hunting to practice shooting in particular. See, I thought I had nothing to do because I didn’t think I had the skills necessary to ‘do’ anything. (Scowls at None.) But instead just roaming around I’ve had opportunity to practice some skills, get some wildlife and herb lore, craft around a campfire. And now I’m already thinking I better go and find some larger saddle bags because I’m starting to have to leave stuff behind.

Finally, I think I now ‘get’ the purpose of the permanent camp Dutch’s gang has made at Horseshoe Overlook. Many of the NPCs have a specific purpose which didn’t make sense before. It’s not a matter of doing things in order just whatever you feel like doing. Went hunting with Hosea and there was a blend of cut scenes and dialog and then the encounter with the Legendary Bear or whatnot. After I took the choice to remain while he returned to camp and that’s when I did a lot of exploring. Rode more or less back in the direction of Valentine just exploring all along the way.

Whew! OK, FOMO has passed. I think I am getting the hang of it and I’m loving it that I have a huge world ahead of me to explore. Thanks again everyone. Even you, None. ;-)