Ringu versus Ring

I went and saw “The Ring” the other night at my local neighborhood theatre gay-flophouse-cum-Hollywood-cineplex “The Stella” the other night. The theater is great for watching horror movies: the majority of the seats appear as if someone has set fire to their frames; the stench of months-old rotten food floats around the theater like smelly, decomposed ghosts; various neighborhood bums are always sitting around hacking phlegm onto the floor and openly drinking booze while muttering to themselves; rats scurry the floors and brush your ankles, and it is heated by a sole chthonic space heater that habitually spits sparks in every direction. I was a big fan of the Japanese “Ring”, so I was interested in seeing how the remake turned out.

Its pretty good, but it makes you realize why America doesn’t seem to be able to make decent horror movies anymore. The main problem actually is that this version made a lot more sense than Ringu did, and not really to its credit. While too much incoherency can really hurt a film, horror movies are really one of the few kinds of cinema where loose ends actually deepen a story’s emotional resonance. It’s probably because most of us don’t generally have anything really scary happen to them, so our only experience with it are in dazed, plotless nightmares, which in and of themselves are just a morbid, hallucinating subconscious interpreting random electrical patterns shooting through our brains.

Ringu was a movie that was very well plotted, but there were a lot of “loose ends” that really added to its brooding nightmarishness. A good example is Sedako’s completely random ability to create a video tape capable of murdering people. In Ringu, she was murdered fifty years previously and was simply a benign psychic entity. In this version, “Samarra” (a really awful choice for an American style name, bringing to mind diaphonous silks, Arabian spices and Thousand and One Nights style wonders; as compared to “Sedako”, which has a terrible insectoid quality to its syllables. By the way, Samarra is a city in Iraq - how long before some hippy lunatic sums up the entire film as yet another pro-war piece churned out by Bush and his Hollywood propoganda machine?) can make photographic negatives appear out of thin air when she wants to murder people. This isn’t in Ringu.

This wouldn’t be all that bad a change except it just calls the viewer’s attention to the remaining loop holes: photographic negatives are different than video tape. Samarra has never even SEEN a video tape - how does she know what one is? And even if that can be explained, who dropped the mobile phone down Samarra’s well? What’s with the pictures? In this case, explaining part of it just removes you from the reality of the picture enough to make the other implausbilities goofily jarring.

There are similar changes for “clarity” that just end up making the film seem weaker and more juvenille. The week deadline in Ringu is totally arbitrary; in this version, it is exactly the amount of time Samarra remained alive in the well. Considering Ringu 2’s best scene is at the beginning, where the detectives examining Sedako’s corpse indicate she had been alive for an additional forty or fifty years, brooding, hating and directing her psychic murderousness outwards, this change makes things significantly less creepy or me.

And hey, what’s up with stressing the link between Samarra and the little boy by dressing up the little stone-faced twerp (another graduate of the Hayle Joel Osmond school of obnoxious twerp method acting) in a dress for the Samarra flashbacks? Transvestite children are icky and creepy in an entirely different way than an amphibious psychic ghost murdering people via videotape. What maniac decided a Culkin in a dress would be a more effective monster than this thing?

The first is Sadako in Ringu, the second, the American version.

Other bad choices with child Samarra: showing her face (in Ringu, it is always hidden behind a massive cascade of thorny black hair, leaving her identifiable only by her ghostly garb and monstrous shambling posture), having her talk and say stupid, meaningless things, and elaborating on her past just enough to make her murder in the well a laughable over-reaction on the part of small town rubes, as opposed to a mysterious, ill-defined mania that is only hinted at in the context of the insane, stream-of-consciousness of the video tape.

The finale of Ring has also been drastically cheapened. In Ringu, the little boy is saved from Sedako by making a copy of the tape and giving it to his grandfather to watch, giving Ayote a horrific sacrifice of murdering her own father to save her son’s life. In Ring, the kid makes a copy of the tape with no clue as to who it is going to be given to.

And speaking of the little boy, what the hell is up with his warning at the end of Ring? “You weren’t supposed to help her escape…” Hey, kid, leaving aside the fact that you could have told your mommy this sort of totally relevant shit before, exactly why not? How could it possibly get any worse? Also note that Samarra isn’t mixing up her murder sprees at all by the end of the film, making you wonder exactly what he’s so worried about.

Almost all of the changes in the film seem like bad ones, or unnecessary ones. The father’s revelation about his own “disappointing” relationship with his father is just Hollywood emotional self-indulgence at its irrelevant worst. The horses stuff is pretty effective, especially the gut-wrenching scene on the ferry, but also completely disposable to the film. Sedako’s video tape is no longer the psychic manifestation of her own deranged mind, but a fortune teller summary of exactly what creepy things the characters will see before the end of the movie. Even the last murder is lame: the choice of computer animation in the last scene makes being killed like Sedako seem like some sort of kick-ass computer animation spectacle out of Tron.

I’ll say that I liked it, but it is vastly inferior to the original. One plus about seeing this one is that it has Naomi Watts in it, who I hope someday will star in a lesbian porn movie called “Nicole on Nicole” where she makes out in a bubble bath with her doppelganger, Nicole Kidman.

If at all possible, see Ringu before you see this one.

I’ve been reading up on an awesome Ringu site about the Ring films, which has led to a lot of bizarre discoveries.

For example, there was an alternate sequel to Ringu released at the same time as Ringu 2, where it is revealed that Sadako’s video tape kills people because it is infected with small pox! And not just smallpox, but smallpox that can make both men and women pregnant with mini-Sadakos! This doesn’t seem to be covered by the American release.

Also, Sadako was born with Testicular Feminization Syndrome and apparently has a sack.

Haven’t seen the film, but I’d imagine the name is a reference to Appointment In Samarra, either the Somerset Maugham story or the John O’ Hara novel, in the which the main character tries in vain to hide from an inescapable “appointment” with Death.

Spoilers ho.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but I don’t think she’s a “benign psychic entity.” It’s implied that not only was her pops some sort of terrifying sea goblin but she could, and did, kill people with her mind (the press conference scene).

I agree with you about the stupidity of having the kid say “you weren’t supposed to help her!” It’s way more effective in Ringu when it seems like the film is unspectacularly over and suddenly the title for “Day 8” comes on the screen.

Speaking of which, this weekend I watched what is likely the worst Ringu remake ever, FeatDotCom, which is enjoyable only because the URL of the site-that-kills is “feardotcom.com.” It seems like the screenwriter just watched Ringu and then banged this out. That is if he even waited to start writing - he may have just started typing once the premise of Ringu was established. It even borrows the fake “we found the dead body but it isn’t over” ending. Which is a good thing to borrow, unless you choose to have not one but two characters say “we found the dead body but it isn’t over” to drive the point home.

Ron, you’re misunderstanding me because I’m a total idiot. I didn’t mean “benign” - I meant malignant. And I plum forgot about all that crazy goblin hoo-dad, although I don’t think it changes the fact that she is psychic, a ghost and something of a bitch, making her a malignant psychic entity in the end.

Don’t sweat it. Sometimes those SAT words get away from me too, and I find myself saying truculent when I meant Brobdingnagian or mortmain when I meant mendacity. It happens when you’re out there on the cold sharp edge of vocabulary, every instant a step away from utter incoherence.

Samara isn’t the little boy in drag; she’s played by Daveigh Chase. You might remember her as the voice of Lilo in Lilo and Stitch.

Weren’t that kid’s eyes simply huge, though? Creeped me out.

I can’t wait til ringu is released on DVD. It’s being released the same day as The Ring. Apparantly Dreamworks bought the rights to it.

If this was mentioned earlier and I missed it, then pay me no mind.

I went and saw “The Ring” the other night at my local neighborhood theatre gay-flophouse-cum-Hollywood-cineplex…

Is that the same as a movie theatre? :)

Ah. Well this wasn’t a warning, just a statement, like ‘She didn’t want to be helped by you, she just wants you to be extremely afraid and die.’ Granted the kid’s acting ability muddles it. Just take it as a statement instead of a warning, it ties to the girl’s statements earlier spoilers ahead

where the doctor says ‘You don’t want to hurt people.’ and she says ‘But I do.’ in kind of a hard to discern way (I figured she meant ‘I do want to hurt people’, which IS what she meant.)
It’s hard to compare the movies since I don’t speak Japanese so I can’t measure these people’s acting ability (I would LOVE to get a copy of the book) The Japanese actors may have rendered the movie completely inscrutable through bad acting, part of your preference for the Japanese version may be that you’re adding your own infliction to the sub-titles.
As it is the Japanese version is kinda lazy, the ‘original’s’ ending has the reporter suddenly remembers something she heard at the beginning of the movie that renders everything she did after realizing she was cursed useless.
One thing I can’t get over: The little kid claims his loving and doting cousin’s ghost told him to watch the tape. Why would she tell him to do the thing that killed her?
Also the well-chick was disfigured horrible in the Japanese version, I find the normal looking thing scarier.

Also the well-chick was disfigured horrible in the Japanese version, I find the normal looking thing scarier

You mean the little kid? You must be Captain Evacuatingbladderpants when you pass the local preschool.

Yes, but for unrelated reasons…

I don’t know, they didn’t show her face while she was dead (until the well thing) and the dead-pan dead-eyed unmoving unblinking-stare is kinda discomforting. But when she climbs out of the well she has the freaky walk and face cover thing, as well as the ‘daymare’ type things. Also the dead faces of the victims were worse by far.
I admit the American version had some dead ends (‘oh the phone is bleeding and I just coughed up something weird NEXT SCENE’) But the Japanese version did that more.
Also I thought the ‘YOU JUST WATCHED THE CURSED TAPE!!!11’ thing at the end was pretty good, kinda lost it’s effect in the theater though.
I’d like to see the sequals they made in Japan, apparently that clarifies some things.
You’re just pissed I ‘got’ the movie and you didn’t. :P
[color=red]Edit: Question or two: How the hell did the well cover make that ring? Wouldn’t light shining around the edges mean it was too small and thus fall in?[/color]
Also a good question is raised: would YOU make a copy of the tape, or would you accept your fate? I’d accept it, I’d hate it and try to fight back, but I’d not want to do that to someone.

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The restraining order?

I finally got around to watching the DVD copy of Ringu I bought last fall, partly because of this thread, and I have to say that I was really disappointed. To me, the American version outdoes the original in every way. Too much of the original seems poorly scripted. People have noted that the surreal, dreamy atmosphere of the original makes it scarier, leaves more to be questioned. I didn’t get this at all. The movie just seemed poorly plotted, with the scriptwriter resorting to the deus ex machina of the ex-husband’s psychic ability whenever he needed to tie a couple of points together. The American movie was intricately structured like a puzzle. The Japanese movie was sort of tossed together. There was no logical progression, showing the two leads figuring everything out. They just sort of stumbled along from place to place, with the ex-husband getting these bizarre insights out of nowhere on a regular basis to push the plot along.

What’s more, I found that the original wasn’t scary in the least. Sadako had no real presence. Where in the remake she speaks on the phone, appears in the psychiatric hospital videos, and is on-screen quite a while when she stalks the ex at the conclusion, in the original she doesn’t show up really at all until the conclusion. The press conference scene that’s supposed to set her up as some sort of ominous presence is laughable, for the ridiculous reaction of the reporters, the laughable death grin on the face of the dead guy, and the way that Sadako isn’t shown at all. I think you see her hands, hear someone say “You did this, Sadako!” and the tape ends. Whoo, scary stuff, kids. And the conclusion with the grandfather made so sense whatsoever. He’s this loving, kindly old guy who has a great relationship with his (negligent) daughter and grandson, yet his daughter decides to have him killed by some goblin from a well? Why? And even the impact of this was deadened by the way it was communicated on the phone, playing over a shot of the lead driving along a highway.

I like it when horror movies leave a lot to the imagination. But Ringu just seemed really sloppy and contrived. The only scene that got me at all was the crawl out of the TV thing at the end, though I think that was just because I was really creeped out by this in the American version.

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Ok, I just saw the ring. No, not the movie, I saw that months ago. I mean I saw the ring that they’re talking about in The Ring: a circle of white light. It appeared when I was looking around in the dark last night, just for a split second, in the corner of my eye. It must be some kind of physiological artifact, like the “floaters” that some people see in their vision when looking at bright sunlight. Has anyone else ever experienced such a thing? I wonder what it was. Gulp.

I watched The Ring DVD yesterday and, though it has a few moments (notably, toward the end, which is genuinely creepy), I was disappointed.

This movie doesn’t know what it wants to be (except dark), and tries on so many dresses along the way that it winds up not quite being anything but a mishmosh. With a few exceptions–mostly in the wonderful black and white imagery–it’s not even a particularly original mishmosh. (This is basically an updated version of M.R. James’ “The Mezzotint”–with a video/TV set in place of the story’s picture.)

I think that, if they’d played it a little straighter, it would have been a better movie.

Peter

Also a good question is raised: would YOU make a copy of the tape, or would you accept your fate? I’d accept it, I’d hate it and try to fight back, but I’d not want to do that to someone.

She wasn’t just thinking of herself, she was terrified for her child. We also don’t really know for sure what she did in the end. She might have had a change of heart.

I haven’t seen Ringu, but I did like the Ring. It had a lot of good suspense and creepy moments to it, and I liked the characters for the most part. The plot develops smoothly and without a lot of the sclock-shock that most horror movies resort to. It’s a good story-driven horror movie, and there just aren’t many of those. Most of them seem to me to be action-driven, with the story suborned.

I haven’t seen the English one yet, but feelings seem to be really mixed over which is better.

Regardless, I think Dark Water by the same director is WAY creepier than Ringu.