Saudia Arabia thread


#201

Unlikely to be murdered, too high profile and valuable as a show-trial and scapegoat.


#202

Not murdered, but publicly executed. Which is the same, IMO.

Not that Gulen is any better than Erdogan.


#203

There are images of the Saudis dismembering Khashoggi with a chainsaw after tying him to a forklift. They’re hitting mainstream. Do yourself a favor and don’t look at them. I regret looking.


#204

Ugh. Sounds like something an intelligence official would leak to make it harder for the administration to make a deal.


#205

This is the type of thing that should lead to loud protests in the streets. I look forward to Trump being questioned about it in his next press conference. Fucking disgusting.


#206

#207

Meanwhile
"The Saudis announced that the trials of 11 individuals involved in the murder are ready, and five of them will be charged with the death penalty. The announcement is another change of story by Riyadh. First it denied Khashoggi was dead and insisted that he had freely left the consulate on Oct. 2. Then it claimed that he died in a fistfight. Then it was characterized as a premeditated murder ordered by the deputy chief of Saudi intelligence. Now it is supposedly a rendition attempt that went amiss and that Khashoggi was deliberately given an overdose of drugs. The team then lied to the deputy chief of Saudi intelligence to cover up their botched mission. An unnamed local collaborator assisted in disposing of the body.

None of these accounts add up, especially the latest."


#208

Sounds like these are fake. Thank goodness. I’m sure the real thing wasn’t pleasant but ugh.


#209

This was always going to happen once the Saudis could not escape the killing. Prince kill-a-thon will say, “why would I kill my own staff if I was the one who ordered it?” Because he thinks the world is full of idiots (well he’s right about 40% of the U.S.)


#210

Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2, and Turkey has given the U.S. government a recording of the murder, but Trump said he would not listen to it “because it’s a suffering tape, it’s a terrible tape.”

“I don’t want to hear the tape, no reason for me to hear the tape,” Trump said in an interview with “Fox News Sunday.”

“I know everything that went on in the tape without having to hear it … It was very violent, very vicious and terrible.”

Trump also said he wants to maintain a close alliance with Saudi Arabia despite Khashoggi’s death and questioned the alleged role of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is known as MbS and is the kingdom’s de facto ruler.


#211

Hey, what’s the brutal murder of a permanent resident between friends?


#212

Trump openly admitted at a rally that they give him money so he likes them.


#213

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 20, 2018
Statement from President Donald J. Trump on Standing with Saudi Arabia

America First!

The world is a very dangerous place!

The country of Iran, as an example, is responsible for a bloody proxy war against Saudi Arabia in Yemen, trying to destabilize Iraq’s fragile attempt at democracy, supporting the terror group Hezbollah in Lebanon, propping up dictator Bashar Assad in Syria (who has killed millions of his own citizens), and much more. Likewise, the Iranians have killed many Americans and other innocent people throughout the Middle East. Iran states openly, and with great force, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!” Iran is considered “the world’s leading sponsor of terror.”

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia would gladly withdraw from Yemen if the Iranians would agree to leave. They would immediately provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance. Additionally, Saudi Arabia has agreed to spend billions of dollars in leading the fight against Radical Islamic Terrorism.

After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors. If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries - and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!

The crime against Jamal Khashoggi was a terrible one, and one that our country does not condone. Indeed, we have taken strong action against those already known to have participated in the murder. After great independent research, we now know many details of this horrible crime. We have already sanctioned 17 Saudis known to have been involved in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi, and the disposal of his body.

Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that – this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!

That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran. The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!

I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction - and they are free to do so. I will consider whatever ideas are presented to me, but only if they are consistent with the absolute security and safety of America. After the United States, Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world. They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels – so important for the world. As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!


#214

#215

Wait that’s a real statement? What the fuck? I thought it was satire.


#216

It has to be satire. There’s no way the real statement would start with “America First!”


#217

Nope, it’s real. They even Italicized America First.


#218

This is what happens when you allow the current POTUS to dictate a statement on his own.


#219

This is what happens when you elect a knuckledragging fascist as your President.


#220

Welp, our president is an illiterate buffoon who grovels to foreign dictators and sanctions murder if you give him enough cash.

But, on the bright side, all the signs are that we’re headed for a worldwide recession!

… Which I find comforting because of this. Choke on it SA and Russia: