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They are beyond evil.

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Oh FFS. These people will stop at nothing. Just incredible.

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Ryan Grimm from the Intercept already said it wasn’t Feinstein’s office.

Edit: Found the original tweet


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As far as I can tell, she never actually talks about her sexual assault. She just says she’s experienced one.

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Given how much she has lied in the past few years, I’m pretty comfortable not taking Conway’s assault at face value.

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Personally, I’d be happy to see us not get sidetracked by a debate about a woman’s credibility w/r/t her own sexual assault. Whether that woman is Conway or anyone else.

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It’s not about her credibility. I have no reason to not believe her, but she is not talking about her sexual assault, like at all. This makes her approach exceedingly different from any other.

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I mean, besides the fact that she hasn’t told the truth in 3 years, sure, no reason to not believe her.

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I don’t have a reason to disbelieve her about her sexual assault, but she is being disingenuous when she says women from different political approaches are being treated differently when they talk about their sexual assault because… she’s not talking about her sexual assault. She’s just defending some guys and throwing in her sexual assault experience as a throwaway comment without actually saying anything about it.

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This is a great attack, unless you’re also someone complaining that no one (Mueller) should be allowed to spring a perjury trap on a sitting President (Trump), since that’s exactly what Starr (and Kavanaugh) did to Clinton.

Since there’s plenty of evidence that Republicans are happy to violate the letter of the law, I’d say this is just wrong. What Republicans care about is not whether the law was broken, but by whom.

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The comment I was responding to was about Conway’s credibility when stating that she was a victim of sexual assault.

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I don’t care if she were a serial killer. Sexual Violence is not a norm, like it’s not an average experience, but it’s common enough that even vile people could have experienced it, and they have a right to voice that experience… but that’s not what she is actually doing. If she wants to actually talk about her sexual violence, I would listen to her, like I would any other woman or man, but again, she’s not actually talking about her experience. She is dismissing others who are talking about it while trying to, kind of, say she is talking about it which she is clearly not doing.

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It sounded to me like she was victim shaming, but trying to use her own experience as a shield to allow her to say that. Or am I misunderstanding her “I’m a victim of sexual assault, but you have to responsible for your own conduct.”

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That’s exactly what she is doing, but she is also stating that #MeToo, specifically, doesn’t treat conservative or maybe Republican women the same as they do other women… except she’s not doing what other women are doing, she is not actually talking about or sharing her experience with sexual violence.

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That’s how I read her comments. She is blaming herself as much as her assaulter, assuming she is telling the truth, which for her we truly cannot know.

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Nesrie, I’m not disagreeing with you about what Conway is/was doing. I’m simply stating that women should always be given the benefit of the doubt when they say they experienced sexual assault, even if they are women like Conway. I agree with your point about what she’s probably doing here. My only motivation in saying what I said was to try to head off a pointless debate about whether or not she was actually ever assaulted herself.

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And I am clarifying, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think we disagree there either, I just think her criticism of the MeToo movement as being political is misplaced. She thinks she is being treated differently from other women in MeToo because of her political position; I think she is being treated differently because she hasn’t actually joined it.

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“We do treat people differently who are either the victims or the perpetrators of this based on their politics now, based on their gender. That is a huge mistake.”

We do not though. If we did Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby would be going scott free. Like Trump does for his assaults. Oh wait she meant Republicans get away with it based on their politics? Never mind. That is correct.

“I’m a victim of sexual assault. I don’t expect Judge Kavanaugh, or Jake Tapper, or Jeff Flake, or anybody, to be held responsible for that. You have to be responsible for your own conduct,” she added.

How does “responsibility” have anything to do with victims of assault? Who is claiming they need to be held responsible for being victims? That is absurd. It certainly has nothing to do with Republicans who refuse to take responsibility for anything.

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Hmm, maybe this has some legs.