Thrag
4850
Decisions are coming out.
Gorsuch gives Oklahoma to the tribes.
On a purely visceral level thatâs freaking amazing, but what does it mean in practical terms?
I donât think anyone knows. This has been in litigation for decades.
Thrag
4853
The scope of the case has to do with federal authority in regard to who prosecutes major crimes. Itâs been determined to be a reservation where the feds have jurisdiction rather than the state/local authorities. I believe thatâs the basic result.
Thrag
4854
I think Vance just went 7-2. Scotus blog is hard to follow right now.
Vance ⌠yep. Roberts writing the opinion.
That has to be good news.
Edit:
Article II and the Supremacy Clause do not categorically preclude, or require a heightened standard for, the issuance of a state criminal subpoena to a sitting President.
Alito, Thomas dissent (surprise, not)
Thrag
4856
Thomas and Alito are the dissents.
rowe33
4857
Are dissents those crusty shitstains found on the underside of many public toilet lids?
OMG does this mean his records will be released? Hope rising.
I am absolutely giddy right now.
In a footnote, Roberts notes that the âdaylight between our opinionâ and the Thomas âdissentâ is ânot as great as that label might suggest.â âWe agree that Presidents are neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas nor insulated by a heightened need standard.â Hereâs some key language: " We agree that Presidents may challenge specific subpoenas as impeding their Article II functions." "And although we affirm while Justice Thomas would vacate, we agree that this case will be remanded to the District Court."
Think that clues us on it on the next opinion.
Iâm wrong. Mazars is 7-2, Roberts writing the opinon.
When Congress seeks information âneeded for intelligent legislative action,â it âunquestionablyâ remains âthe duty of all citizens to cooperate.â Watkins, 354 U. S., at 187 (em-phasis added). Congressional subpoenas for information from the President, however, implicate special concerns regarding the separation of powers. The courts below did not take adequate account of those concerns. The judgments of the Courts of Appeals for the D. C. Circuit and the Second Circuit are vacated, and the cases are remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
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Scotus is remanding Vance back down, right?
Mazars is remanded.
Vance has the go ahead to get the tax returns (unless Iâm reading it wrong.)
Sharpe
4865
Both cases were remanded to the district court for further proceedings, as I expected.
Probably long after a 2020 election day.
What it could mean â in the long haul â is that if thereâs some shady money flow into Trumpâs personal financial orbit, investigators may see some evidence of it. Maybe.
Timex
4868
It seems like the practical implications are that something like half of Oklahoma are actually under Tribal jurisdiction now.
As I read more reaction from smart people, it looks like this was a very good decision for those of us who hate Trump. Weâre not getting the best case scenario by any means, but still a day to be pretty happy about this. With the remanding, Trumpâs legal team can fight this for a long time, but theyâre no longer going to be able to cite blanket executive privilege in doing so. Thos of us who hate Trump didnât get everything we wanted for Christmas, in other words, but when you ask for a pony, you probably shouldnât expect to get one. :)