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Yes, I’m sure there are lots of people that look forward to hearing all of George’s story.

Remember how it all started with the inauguration speech and how Trump had the biggest crowd ever? I felt sorry for Spicer to some extent. He at least seemed to know he was telling a lie.

A former FBI agent says that Russia was using fake news and automated bots on Twitter and Facebook to manipulate American opinion all through 2014 in something of a dry run before its on-line escalation in the U.S. presidential campaign two years later. Clint Watts, a former special agent with the FBI who will testify this afternoon in a Senate subcommittee, calls the 2014 activity “capabilities development.”

Watts’ assertions highlight Russian activities substantially earlier than the tech companies have so far disclosed. The issue of Russia’s manipulation of the 2016 election has reached a new level this week with special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment of two former Trump campaign officials, and the coming testimony by Google, Facebook and Twitter officials on Russia’s use of their platforms in the campaign.
Watts tells Axios that he has no evidence that Russia attempted to manipulate the 2014 midterm elections. Instead, he said Russia was initially attempting to steer American opinion on issues like Syria. But early in 2015 and on into 2016, he said, the bots began to get into American political issues, like stirring up a rumor that a planned U.S. military exercise in Texas, called Jade Helm, was actually a plot to take over the state.

No one — not the government nor the companies — took the actions seriously because they did not seem important. They also did not violate the platforms’ terms of service. “They were a little naive,” Watts said. “They and the US government didn’t think they were having any impact.”

Yeah, I’ll give you that. He seemed to be uncomfortable with the more blatant lies. He got flustered. Sanders is like a Stepford wife, a robot that spews Trumpian nonsense. No soul.

She’s been marinating in creepy right-wing/evangelical ideology since she was a fetus. There’s no doubt she’s a True Believer.

This is what made watching Spicer interesting, and Sanders a yawn-fest. You know she will just spew lies every day with no issue. But you got to watch Spicer grappling with his conscience every time he stood on the podium. I think we were all secretly hoping for the day that never came, where the better part of him won out. It never happened, but it could have, and that’s what made it compelling.

Yup, I think it’s pretty brilliant that the WH is using Sarah HS now. She constantly lies, just constantly, and looks like she gives zero fucks. Spicer looked like he was struggling at least a little bit. But SHS is a lie robot. Plus she looks like she’s kind of annoyed and tired of dealing with people.

As an aside, I really don’t think that people who support Trump are by and large stupid. But they are all hypocrites, and a shit-ton of them are racists.

The new owners of 19.5% of Rosneft are Qatar (x%), Glencore ($300m contribution), persons unknown (x%), and disclosure was above my paygrade. Most banks turned down the financing because the whole deal is a reputational nightmare.

When Trump goes down everyone non-Russian involved will get burnt.

The Rosneft sale isn’t in question. I’m just saying that ever since the supposed quid pro quo with Trump first came out, I’ve never seen any actual evidence that he received a cut beyond the assertion in the dossier.

In a sensibly-run White House they’d have set up things so that she knew nothing at all. One of the jobs of a Press Secretary is to provide plausible deniability, so she can truthfully say “I didn’t know that” to reporters if something appalling/incriminating comes to light.

Nobody ever thought Ron Ziegler was in on it during Watergate. (Though ironically his bulldog performance during the scandal made him a favorite of Nixon’s, and he became one of Nixon’s right-hand men in his final days.)

Of course, the Trump White House is anything but sensibly run, so who the hell knows.

SHS started out with this “aw shucks” hayseed vibe, but now she’s just full of hate and bile. Totally evil.

Oh, also dumb, apparently.

You don’t have to be smart to parrot bullshit.

I don’t really understand why people keep harping on the ‘compromise’ comment. There had been a number of compromises on the slavery question up to 1860, and there could have been more. Other countries were able to abolish slavery without fighting a war over it. From our standpoint, any ‘compromise’ with the institution of slavery seems abhorrent, but it’s ahistorical to project that attitude backward 150 years. Lincoln, for one, would have been only too happy to achieve such a thing.

Well, sure, there was Teddy Kennedy and Franklin Kennedy!

The motivations behind Russia’s attack, are explained very well in this Frontline documentary. Part 2 airs tomorrow.

The most interesting thing is that Putin watched the tapes of Ghaddifi being killed and Hillary’s response to it over and over agaiin.

DJT and his klan are guilty of treason. I know they don’t want to call it treason, because it sounds like srs bizness, and not just lulz, but nevertheless, they are guilty of it. The people who are convicted should get the chair, as Gorka so eloquently alluded. If Gorka is included in that fun bunch, he must regrettably be included.

Ta-Nehisi Coates gave a history lesson on why compromise didn’t work in a series of unthreaded tweets. That other countries ended slavery without war is immaterial to the fact that the US South not only did not want to compromise, they wanted to expand it. Prior to the war started Lincoln’s compromise was an attempt to limit that expansion. But compromise is good, right, like the 3/5ths compromise? People are right to push back on that shitbird Kelly.

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/925292064551636992 (this is a good place to start)

https://twitter.com/stevekolowich/status/925390294937464833

What does Ken Burns know about the Civil War though?
Oh wait.

I think the southern states unwillingness to compromise by abolishing or phasing out slavery probably did cause the civil war. Not sure if that’s what Kelly meant?

LGM post:
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/10/john-breckenridge-won-wouldnt-problems

It’s worth noting here that:

Lincoln was not even proposing to interfere with slavery in existing states, and rather was proposing a long-term, gradualist plan for compensated emancipation.
Before secession, Democrats still controlled the Senate, and could have prevented legislation banning slavery in the territories. What you may have read in early Jacobin notwithstanding, Lincoln was not a radical strongman bent on immediate emancipation, and even the gradualist plan he advocated couldn’t have passed immediately without secession.
Nonetheless, the confederate states preemptively seceded and initiated military conflict before Lincoln had even taken office.
So, what “compromise” could allegedly have prevented the Civil War? AFICT, it’s that the Republican Party should accept, as Doughface-in-Chief Buchanan asserted in his inaugural address,* that the issue of slavery in the territories was a “judicial question, which legitimately belongs to the Supreme Court of the United States,” and “all good citizens” should “cheerfully submit” to what the Taney Court ruled. The “compromise,” in other words, is that the Republican Party should have agreed that it was organized around a permanently illegal purpose and disbanded. OK. As wjts puts it, the neoconfederate premise being repeated by Kelly and Sanders seems to be that “it’s not really a compromise if your side doesn’t get everything they want.”

*There’s a non-neoconfederate version of this argument, which is that the Civil War happened because the Supreme Court prevented the president and Congress from reaching a compromise. The rather obvious problem, as Buchanan praising Dred Scott preemptively illustrates, is that Dred Scott was the compromise that the actually existing president and majorities of Congress wanted. The problem was the South’s uncompromising commitment to slavery as reflected by the dominant party of the Jacksonian era, not the Supreme Court (which reflected the center of the party) per se.

…see also this thread.

…Erik has made this point multiple times, but good summary of Foote’s bullshit and Burns’s choice to let it dominate his film here.

Here’s the link provided in that summary:

For all the technical skill Burns brings to bear on his subject, which he brings to life without any historical footage, his analytic framework is a disaster. Burns relies heavily on Shelby Foote, a novelist and quasi-historian whose ability to spin colorful tales gobbled up large chunks of airtime. Foote presented Lee and other Confederate fighters as largely driven by motives other than preserving human property, and bemoaned the failure of the North and South to compromise (a compromise that would inevitably have preserved slavery)