Secret CIA source claims Russia rigged 2016 election


#6031

I’ll do even better. Fake, seditious, politically motivated outrage. That all this has ever been.

Speaking of Mueller:


#6032

At least your honest about you and your fellow Republicans. That is a start


#6033

At no point in history did the Russians ever engage so directly in manipulating the consciousness of the American electorate.

The technological basis for such a manipulation simply did not exist previously.

It is appalling that you, who once stood on the side of men like Reagan, now stand on the side of the Soviets he fought so hard against.

There is literally nothing left of what once constituted your principles. You are just a husk full of partisan tribalism now. And the tribe you have dedicated yourself to is very, very bad.


#6034

I’m reasonably certain we didn’t try to hack Russian registrar of voter databases (and done a lot of the other things the Russians are accused of doing). Additionally, much of this was known far before the actual election (you may recall how pissed off Dems were about the Comey letter in October about Clinton, when the Dem Senators were almost screaming at Comey to release the Russian interference evidence). IMHO, the primary reason it wasn’t released was because the Obama administration thought Clinton would still win and was trying to avoid the perception of interfering in the election.


#6035

As you know perfectly well, he tried to get a bipartisan condemnation of Russian meddling in October, but Mitch McConnell and the GOP said no.

… His mistake was in assuming the GOP might actually act in the nation’s interest.


#6036

At least some ex-Obama staffers now feel they totally dropped the ball on that. But in Obama’s defense, it was a motherfucking bear of a problem. Can you imagine the response on the right if he had come out strong or attempted to use his authority before the election? And how it would have affected Hillary had she won?

I still think he probably fucked up, because his job is to execute the law, not to worry about the next election. But our current climate is so poisonous that I understand why he pussyfooted.


#6037

The left failed to recognize the danger the Russians posed on a global level.

Romney, when he said they were the greatest threat to the US, back in 2012, was right. And folks laughed at him.

But their error could be attributed to naivete.

The fact that the right is now wrong to look the other way regarding the Russians, because they think it is going to give them some advantage politically? That is morally reprehensible.


#6038

#6039

Guys, guys, as “everyone knows,” it’s all Fake News.*

*what’s galling is that the Trumpistas had the chtutzpah to appropriate the term that was originally applied to Putin-sockpuppet-authored Facebook memes. #smh


#6040

Reuters being on the list raises my confidence level significantly


#6041

*what’s galling is that the Trumpistas had the chtutzpah to appropriate the term that was originally applied to Putin-sockpuppet-authored Facebook memes. #smh

Yeah, I prefer “lugenpresse,” personally.


#6042

I only mention it because at one time I worked on the papers of James K. Polk, which are housed in a threesome with the papers of Jackson and Johnson, the trio making up the trifecta of Tennessee presidents. There was always some friendly competition, but the thing that got folks the most bent out of shape I think was when folks confused one Andrew with the other.

Though in truth, they are both pretty wretched.


#6043

It was first reported by a German newspaper, FWIW.


#6044

Well, to his credit, Andrew Johnson didn’t turn traitor when all of the Confederates did.


#6045

I was wondering why there would be a leak from Mueller’s team all of the sudden after they’ve been so quiet. But if it’s coming from the German side, that would explain it.


#6046

True.

The saddest thing about Trump is he ruins the elegant symmetry of Lincoln having been bracketed by the two worst presidents in U.S. history…


#6047

Actually, I rephrased my post to reflect that Johnson never broke his oath to the Constitution, and thus was never a Confederate, traitors all.


#6048

Huh, this seems to contradict Junior’s previous statements about the “adoptions” meeting.

Donald Trump Jr. asked a Russian lawyer at the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting whether she had evidence of illegal donations to the Clinton Foundation, the lawyer told the Senate Judiciary Committee in answers to written questions obtained exclusively by NBC News.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, told the committee that she didn’t have any such evidence, and that she believes Trump misunderstood the nature of the meeting after receiving emails from a music promoter promising incriminating information on Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent.

Once it became apparent that she did not have meaningful information about Clinton, Trump seemed to lose interest, Veselnitskaya said, and the meeting petered out.


#6049

As I like to say, they’re no longer conservatives but simply tribal partisans. Ideologically diseased minds who hate the opposition party more than they care about the country or traditional conservative principles. It takes no effort to imagine their reaction if the IC stated that Russia had intervened in Hillary’s favor. Trump and his followers would be calling for a special do-over to the election, and right-wing media would hammer that point so hard, so consistently, for months on end, that it would begin to leech over into the mainstream media. . .just as Benghazi and other fake scandals did.


#6050

I mean… look at the Uranium thing.

It’s terrible… because the Russians are our friends and it’s fine?