To be fair, selfie sticks are pretty obnoxious.
KevinC
6356
Can you even imagine the outcry from the GOP today, right now if the democrats had conspired with the Russians against the GOP?
Papageno
6357
But the Russians were helping Cheeto Jesus against “Killary,” so it’s totally OK! /s
kerzain
6359
Ever notice how the last four letters of Donald Trump spell “RUMP?” Wake up, America!
RichVR
6360
You’re not even trying anymore, are you?
Ever notice how the first two letters of Obama spell ‘OB’? As in… Obstetrician? As in… BIRTH?
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Malathor
6362
Hahahahahaha. You’re talking about how Donnie Jr. got lured into a meeting with a Russian lobbyist who promised Clinton dirt only to end up getting lobbied on Magnisky Act stuff?? LOL You want a president impeached over this?? LOL The lot of you have lost your minds. That’s not a crime or even unethical. I mean think of this hypothetical, what if the she really had dirt, really bad Democracy-threatening dirt, like Clinton was using the FBI to spy on her opponents. Wouldn’t we all want to know that information? Hahaha.
Oh, hey. Look what the Russian puppet is up to now. LOL
Timex
6363
Do you believe that you are offering convincing arguments at this point?
Malathor
6364
I no longer believe you are in a mental state where any argument would matter to you. You have convinced yourself that Trump conspired with Russia, and nothing will sway your belief. You said you had proof of conspiracy, you pointed to a laughable nothing.
Timex
6365
But you didn’t even argue that Trump didn’t conspire with the Russians. You admitted that he did, but that it didn’t matter. And the reality is, that one example is not the only one that exists. It is merely one example of low hanging fruit that is known with 100% certainty to have occurred.
You can’t admit that something happened, while simultaneously calling it a conspiracy theory.
Now, you offered a strawman, suggesting that such a link would result in his impeachment. That’s not likely.
What he will be impeached for, is more likely the same thing Nixon and Clinton were impeached for, that being obstruction of Justice.
Look, you have been and are being disingenuous. You are supporting a movement that is diametrically opposed to things I believe are moral, ethical, and fair… without consideration of facts and respect to consistent behaviors. There’s no point in poking a troll.
Malathor
6367
I don’t know if Trump conspired with the Russians, but I see no solid evidence that he did, even after a year and a half of investigation. That suggests to me there isn’t any. You’ve offered none.
Timex
6368
His campaign literally met with people believed to be Russians who had information to help them.
We know that this occurred, with absolute certainty.
Again, this is far from the only evidence against him… But it’s totally beyond debate. It alone proves that it happened.
So you can’t say that there’s no evidence of it having occurred. Because we know it occurred.
You can disagree with me on what is moral, ethical and fair. I don’t see why you think I’m disingenuous, unless you think that sincere disagreement with your values is impossible. I’m not arrogant enough to think that of others.
Dude, opposition research is neither illegal or immoral, wherever the info comes from. If he had encouraged the Russians to hack DNC servers in exchange for favors, or offered favors in exchange for illegal activity on his behalf, THAT would be conspiracy.
disingenuous: not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
I know what it means. Why do you think I am not being sincere?
Timex
6373
Two things here:
1)Because this was actually the Russian government, that would in fact be a legal violation of campaign finance law.
2) But we can ignore that, because again, that isn’t what Trump would be impeached for.
Yes, those things would be additional crimes.
Again, if trump is impeached, it will likely be for one of the following:
- obstruction of Justice
- financial crimes related to his business
To be clear, his conflicts of interests at this point are on an entirely unprecedented scale, and I believe that he absolutely should be impeached for violating the emoluments clause…
But I don’t believe he will be.
In life we are presented with information, and we are forced to draw conclusions. Let’s just say I am rather comfortable in this particular conclusion.