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If there is an underlying crime. It’s possible.

Always a possibility.

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Timex, why do you bother? The guy is either completely delusional or he’s a troll. He’s never going to change. He’s not going to magically see the light, etc.

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No, this is actually a false statement. I know you think that it’s true, because Dershowitz said so on Fox… But it’s not legally true.

If you act to obstruct an investigation, even if the investigation is investigating a crime that did not occur, that obstruction is itself a crime.

And ultimately, Mueller will find out what the truth is.

And really, there’s no reason to try to interfered with Mueller, because there is zero reason to think that he would be anything less than professional and honorable.

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Yes, technically true (example Martha Stewart), but it will never lead to Trump being impeached.

I don’t have reason to doubt that at this point either.

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It’s not illegal to get a blowjob under your desk, but it is illegal to lie under oath about it. Obstruction of justice is similar, in that you might not have committed a crime, but if you lie to the feds about it, it’s obstruction.

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If someone was instructed to lie to the FBI, that will be obstruction of Justice.

Other folks in the administration, specifically Kushner at this point, appear to be in significant legal Jeopardy for intentionally misleading authorities regarding their business connections. That won’t necessary blow back on Trump directly though.

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Rowe, sometimes I feel the same way. But I have to remind myself that behind every vote is a person who does matter, who has reasons to be, and who can help further a discussion towards betterment FOR ALL.

For what it’s worth, Malathor is a member here and a fellow, despite political opinion differences. Timex also explicitly asked him to comment so we would know what the opposite side is defining something as. It’s P&R, our entire point is discussion.

So, Mal, thanks for explaining that.

I don’t think the same, but I value that you helped me understand why the viewpoint is different.

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I repeat. He isn’t even trying anymore. While he may be delusional, I’m going to just say he’s a troll. And not a very good one.

Discussion demands good faith from all parties. I do not see good faith on his part. None at all. What I do see is a load of bullshit put out to drag the members of our community down into the pigpen to wallow in his shit.

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Fair point. But also fair,. We run them all off, anyway. Seriously, we need at least some dissenting opinions here occasionally so that we can, at a minimum, understand the WTF that has become the conservative right mindset.

If they are confrontational, well that’s different. But shouldn’t we strive to be the same?

Fuck, I’m half drunk on IPAs, I’m probably just too mellow to be confrontational right now.

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This is where I disagree. Someone supporting this administration isn’t politically different from me. They’re completely different from me in a way I can’t even start to reconcile. If someone supports sexual assault, actual real live Nazis, destroying social programs to benefit the ultra-rich, has no problem with the endless constant outright lies, doesn’t give a crap about actual healthcare, etc, then why bother?

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Once Trump is gone, and we get some replacement for the disgrace that is the GOP, I’m sure I’ll go back to being the villain again.

Prior to 2016, I was a primary voice of dissent here… but there comes a time when minor difference must be put aside to address major ones, like those I have with the modern incarnation of Trump’s GOP.

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Also fair. And I too appreciate an opposing view. A rational opposing view. What we do not need is a Tea Party Trumpet that parrots Breitbart and Bannon shit. You wouldn’t put up with that from liberals. Nor would I. I’ll say it again. Discussion in good faith is what we need. No one should be run off for dissenting opinions.

Confrontation is fine. Maybe minds can meet and some change might be effected. Either way. This is not his MO. YMMV

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Understood. As mentioned, I’m too mellow at this point, but I do feel it’s worth it to listen, if nothing else. We all talk about how confrontational politics has become, but it’s really hard to work on common ground.

@rowe33 I’m not calling you out, man. Just saying I wish we had someone, anyone, rational on the right to explain how this nonsense came about.

To you’re example, why did the right crazily embrace racism and sexism now? I mean, I understand some inherent old person mindset, but it went from the shadows to the mainstream. How does that even happen?

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He literally did this on live TV during the RNC.

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Now? They always have. But now, in the Trump Era, they feel like it’s cool to crawl out from under their rocks. I’m sure that the maggots and roaches under the rock feel like their neighborhood is much better now.

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He also implied that if some second amendment supporter were to kill Hillary, he’d be ok with that. It’s not the same as asking them to, but it goes far enough that I’d expect the secret service or FBI to knock on my door if I said the same. He’s not ok in the head, IMHO.

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“I’m not crazy, everyone else is.”

“Also the thing that happened that also didn’t, didn’t matter anyway.”

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I mean… it led to both Clinton and Nixon being impeached. I think you’re right, but only because the GOP lacks any sort of moral compass, not because law or history say otherwise.

At least here we can find some common ground. Until Trump finds a way to fire him like he did Comey.

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that hussy!

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When Rand Paul (probably the only politician I have any respect for) puts out something like this, I start to pay attention.