rowe33
6395
Rand Paul is a moron. Do you pay attention to his idiotic anti-vax beliefs also? Or just the anti-Obama crap?
I’m anti-vax. They all need to go. Dyson or GTFO.
KevinC
6397
Okay, wait. All this stuff with Trump and his campaign you continue to just hand-wave away, but one tweet from Rand Paul about Obama is all it takes for you to jump on board? Or are you being facetious? It’s getting hard to tell.
FWIW, if there is any collusion with foreign governments to interfere with our election process, I’m fully on board with an investigation (and prosecution, if it warrants it). Unlike yourself, the letter before their name doesn’t really matter to me.
Banzai
6398
I respect that Rand Paul has a belief system and stands up for it. It’s a crazy-ass belief system that is completely non-functional in reality, but he stands by it!
Rand Paul is not an anti-Vax nut. He just thinks the people should not have their medical decisions dictated by the government, like any libertarian would think.
“Dr. Paul believes that vaccines have saved lives, and should be administered to children. His children were all vaccinated. He also believes many vaccines should be voluntary and like most medical decisions, between the doctor and the patient, not the government,” he wrote in an email to CNN.
On Tuesday, Paul further clarified his stance, saying he didn’t say vaccines caused disorders.
“I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related – I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated,” Paul said in a statement. “In fact today, I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year.”
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If only vaccines worked that way.
rowe33
6401
That seems an incredibly dangerous and irresponsible view considering he’s a doctor. These diseases persist because people opt out of vaccines and keep spreading it.
Clay
6402
The purpose of Government is to basically solve the Tragedy of the Commons problems that arise when the behaviors of individuals put the entire population at risk. Vaccination is a classic case of that.
Speaking about reality, I suggest you read up about my hero, Sir John James Cowperthwaite.
Banzai
6404
Mostky they spread it among the unvaccinated, which is poetic justice and all, but vaccines aren’t 100% effective, so if all of those anti-vac people end up with measels, some vaccinated people will too, which is when their right to swing their arms around stops at my nose.
Banzai
6405
May be a free economy, but socially? Free isn’t the word I’d use. Not a place I want to live, without a doubt.
And how’s that environment doing with all of that free market in charge of things and no regulations?
If only the US were a small city-state, with no rural population, and also perfectly positioned to be a center of trade and finance in the most populous region of the world!
Medically inconsistent, but politically expedient. Does he feel the same way about abortion?
KevinC
6408
Lives are important only before they’re born. Children can go fuck right off and die of starvation or worse once they’ve parachuted out of the womb, though.
An extreme reading of Franklin’s dictum “those who would sacrifice liberty to attain safety deserve neither” could I suppose be used to argue against mandatory vaccinations.
In my opinion, however, that would violate Gordon’s dictum, “moderation and common sense, dummy!”
Daagar
6410
THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS YOU &%$&^$% ASSHOLES.
CraigM
6411
As the parent of an infant who is yet too young to have gotten all her shots, yet is frequently exposed to other children, i will say this as calmly as I can.
This is bad public policy, and would cause undue harm to innocent parties.
Were it that not getting vaccines only harmed your children, it would be one thing. But it exposes other people’s children to dangerous, debilitating, and potentially deadly diseases. Some children are unable to get them, for reasons of immuno diseases. Others have not gotten them yet, like infants. So when one person makes a medically unsound and scientifically wrong decision that puts those, my, children in harms way?
They can, not so kindly, shove it.
abrandt
6412
Don’t forget about the people with compromised immune systems who can’t safely receive vaccines.
Timex
6413
This stuff is nonsensical to the extreme. It doesn’t even make sense in its face.
Jim Jordan, whose brain may have been rotted by syphilis, was babbling about this yesterday. The story they tell makes zero sense.
The FBI secretly acted to elect Clinton… And yet took actions right before the election that directly helped Trump. While simultaneously taking ZERO actions in the public eye to harm Trump’s image at all.
It’s absurd, because the conspiracy theory they are presenting doesn’t even match the observed facts that we all saw. What they are saying “may” have happened, we actually know didn’t happen.
Timex
6414
No, this is not remotely a normal libertarian position.
This is a position that an idiotic ideologue has, who embraces dogma instead of a reasonable, pragmatic view of libertarianism.
Libertarianism ultimately involves maximizing personal liberty. That’s the goal. That’s the core principle that drives real libertarians.
The ability to refuse vaccines adds ZERO liberty. You do not in fact gain any sort of meaningful freedom, by rejecting vaccines. The liberty that is gained is purely imaginary, based upon total nonsense and fake science.
In contrast, by refusing vaccination, these people endanger other people, thereby making real, tangible limitations on THEIR liberty.
No thoughtful libertarian opposes mandatory vaccination.
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