Sleeping Gods

Ah, so I won’t get spoiled as long as I don’t look at the spoilers? Got it. ;)

(I appreciate your help but this is why I avoid errata, unfortunately.)

For a game like this I try to learn from the rules. I’m going to be referencing the rules at some point, might as well spend that 37 minutes familiarizing myself with where things are. (If it’s a game like Cartographers, though, I’ll definitely put on a 15-minute video, since I’ll probably never have to look at the rules again.)

There is seriously no way the errata will spoil it unless you specifically look at and read the sections clearly marked adventure cards (3 entries at the bottom of that page) or storybook (all in the next page).

Up to you, of course. But I found it useful.

Edit: to be more helpful, here is the errata sans spoilers.

Haha aww, that’s really nice of you! Thanks!

I did peek at the errata earlier and I also didn’t want to see those “helpful tips” (which you have helpfully removed). I generally want to figure out my own helpful tips unless I need some help! I didn’t read them, though.

I’m also the guy who avoids reading the “Here’s how to solve the first few puzzles” page in old adventure game manuals.

Happy to help. The helpful tips were added because some players complained that the game was too hard. But I agree it’s also fun to figure this out for ourselves. Good luck on your campaign!

Game designers, please just assume this is always going to happen for every game.

At least they can’t nerf a board game with a patch.

I played through the first 6 Events. I’m a sucker for the gamebook-style “storybook” stuff, but I can’t see this being particularly interesting to replay. I know the world is big and there’s no chance I’ll see everything on this playthrough – but what, do they expect me to just launch off for a different part of the map on my next playthrough and ignore all the starter stuff in the starter area?

My main two criticisms beyond that are:

  1. It feels like a bunch of disparate game mechanics (worker placement, basic adventure game fedex quests, gamebook) scotch-taped together in an attempt to feel epic. Each component of which is fairly basic.

and 2. The theming, characters, story – basically the “flavor” – feels very anodyne, nonthreatening, and personality-less. “But it’s for the whole family!” you might say. To which I say, bro. I chowed down on personality-loaded entertainment in my childhood. Family-friendly doesn’t have to mean devoid of ideas.

These are snap judgements after a limited amount of play, I freely admit that.

No I don’t think so, since the difficulty increases the further from the start you go. I think in the initial plays you’d explore more thoroughly and map out the keywords so you can path through the early stuff optimally the next times, with less backtracking.

My snap judgements were here, and to be honest I have not really played it since:

Interesting. We just finished our first session (got a couple of cards into the second part of the event deck) and absolutely loved it.

Not only does the game look epic, but it also feels like there is a whole world waiting to be lived in and explored.

First hour of play. Some quest names might feel like spoilers maybe

We found the story very engaging and are torn on which of our quests we want to pursue first. We also thought the choices were interesting. What would happen on any given choice wasn’t clear cut.

Also, combat is a very cool little puzzle. The enemies aren’t pushovers. But if you pick your fights (we do not fight every opportunity we get) and make use of your synergies, it’s pretty cool to bring enemies down efficiently.

As for replayability, I think there will be quite a bit. I’d be surprised if we have seen more than 30% or so of the map once the game is over. Tom Vasel found 7 totems out of over 70 available after a 14 hours campaign. There will be tons to see and experience once we dive back in, even if we wait a few weeks before doing so. And the notes we took on the map will be very helpful.

The save mechanism is nicely thought out too. Here is everything packed at the end of the session:

The ship log records where you were and the ship’s condition when you saved. As for the characters and adventure cards, we simply need to open all the baggies from the 2 open boxes next time and we’re pretty much set to play again. Neat.

Personally, I can’t wait to dive back in and go explore more of the sights we have glimpsed.

Oh gosh, the save mechanic cracked me up. “Carefully pack everything up in this way that meticulously keeps everything perfect to set up again.” Well, yeah… if I’m gonna do that, every game has a “save mechanic.”

Also, the rule book is, I think, bad. If an Event Card offers you a Challenge, do you have to attempt the Challenge? If this is in the rules, please tell me where!

I’m talking specifically about “Sea Tower,” here. You encounter a tower in the sea; the Challenge is to explore it. Seems like something you could avoid, but I’m actually not seeing the option to not do it specified anywhere.

I beg to disagree. I think having 2 specific boxes and bags within those 2 boxes to save the game state is a good compromise for what’s a major table hog of a game.

Sure every game has a save mode when looked at like that. I sometimes take a picture and bag stuff to “save” a longer game. But given the amount of components and the fact we play on our dining room table, we appreciate the feature.

Page 12:

See last line.

Ha. My rulebook does not have that third bullet. Was one of the stretch goals “complete rulebook?”

(But also, thank you!)

It’s on the errata I listed for you higher up in the thread (see the page 12 one). That’s where I saw it when reviewing the rules today. So it’s a bit facetious of me to say it’s in the rule book.

As you aren’t a fan of the errata, you can also see the updated rule book (with errata) here:

The downside of having the first edition of a game.

And the errata I think is mostly covered in the Watch it Played video, too.

FWIW, my experience so far with this game has been really outstanding, much closer to Wendelius’s. The story is engaging as it unfolds and I have favorite crew and feel like I “know” them pretty well now.

I also really like the combat system. It’s a nice hybrid of a couple of things, but to me most closely resembles Arkham Horror LCG with the drawing of tokens. (There are half as many 1’s and 6’s in the fate/ability deck as there are 2-5s). The damage allocation is indeed somewhat akin to a puzzle game at times, but it isn’t a puzzle game that feels as…headache-y as, say Gloomhaven.

Indeed. Rodney Smith had the advantage of only releasing it last month, by which point the game was already in the hands of players and the FAQ and errata were available. He’s also very thorough when he explains rules.

That’s a good point. Gloomhaven is a constant optimisation puzzle which can feel deflating, if your heroes all become exhausted just before completing the mission. You have to constantly pay attention to your action economy.

The fact that combat in this one is card based and that you know there are fewer 1s and 6s (and Ryan Laukat suggests you can further manipulate the odds by hoarding certain cards) gives you quite a bit of agency in a more episodic puzzle. The synergies are a satisfying touch too, giving you useful bonuses.

I’m curious if Wendelius fired up that game again after packing it up? I have to say, setting up and tearing down a game once per playthrough is just about my limit. I can’t imagine sticking with a game I had to set up and tear down multiple times per playthrough.

My party died in combat, I think. Things weren’t going that great, but I got bored halfway through the combat. So I’m going to say we died. Also I’m not sure I followed the rule that you can only apply a maximum of half your damage as splash damage in a previous combat. So I may have cheated. But my guilt is assuaged by knowing that all y’all also cheated. You may not know you did. But I’m sure you didn’t get all the rules right 100% of the time. (You know the spiral binding always counts as a border, right? Even in cases where the map illustration clearly indicates the artist didn’t know where the binding was going to be, and it is extremely silly, visually, to count the spiral binding as a border? Just checking. For instance, going from space 12 to space 103 on pages 12-13. It looks like it was intended to be 1 space by the artist, but once they added the rule about the spiral binding, it became 3 spaces.)

Also, lemme know what your final score ends up being, everyone. Mine was 65. Shouldn’t be hard to beat me, I sucked. (I was playing on Brutal, fyi)

Not played it again yet, but we are planning to play more this week and coming weekend. We really enjoyed it a lot.

And yes, I know all about splash damage rules, navigation rules, which skill checks apply when, …

That’s what I get for reading the rulebook and watching the watch it played video and reading the erratas. :)

But I’m sure I’ll still get rules wrong.

Of course, there’s a big difference between knowing the rules and having the most-applicable rule at any given moment – what that rule is changes on a second-to-second basis – front-and-center in your mind. ;)

So very true. :) Happens to me all the time. We try our best, but it’s part of the charm of boardgames.